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pahunkboy -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 11:30:52 AM)

Under this plan tho-- the cell phone is to put the biometrics into a global data base.

???!!!



Moonhead -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 11:39:41 AM)

A plan that has been propounded by a bored retiree to stop people saying that he's an evil cunt, rather than something that's likely to be acted upon. Even if it is acted upon, it's unlikely to be carried out in the way Gates suggests. Not even the WHO has global databases to track people's health, and your own country (for start) would regard being expected to share information about its citizens with western democracies who have socialised medicine schemes as an outrageous act of lese majeste.
Which, coincidentally, appears to be much the same way you regard this idea yourself, despite your alleged opposition to the evil feds and their corporate paymasters.



pahunkboy -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 11:57:49 AM)

Interesting post.  :-)



Moonhead -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 12:52:37 PM)

So what part of it is incorrect, then?



DomKen -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 1:05:55 PM)

So let me get this straight, Gates thinks it would be a good idea to use cell phones i areas without landlines to facilitate tracking who receives vaccines?

Yeah that is unrepentently evil. I'm surprised he wasn't covered in the blood of virgins and worshipping at an altar to the Rothchilds when he said it.



samboct -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 1:35:30 PM)

Yeah- I'm kind of puzzled here to. In terms of global public health- making sure all children are vaccinated against a wide variety of illnesses makes sense- and Gates is also correct in saying that it will reduce overpopulation.

In terms of the method he's proposed- well, that may need some tweaking-but the idea of a database of births, which child has been vaccinated, and perhaps a method of getting in touch with them would pay off in spades. Vaccines don't have to hit 100% of the population to be effective, but it does help.

There does come a point where freedom of choice and public health conflict, and I must admit, if you're dying, you don't have many other choices to make. And its really annoying to lose a kid because somebody else didn't get their kid vaccinated because daddy was gaga over Jenny McCarthy's rack and decided boobs were brains.

Sam



Real0ne -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 2:02:15 PM)

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d been Steve Jobs saying
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

If the parents aren't capable of raising the kids, the State has to step in. That's part of what the State is there for.


kool then the state can pay for everything under the doctrin of parens patria as trustee to the child beneficiary.

Many people are already suing the states for presuming the trustee position in a protection racket to extort money from tax payers but not holding up to their presumed trustee duties.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 2:24:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Under this plan tho-- the cell phone is to put the biometrics into a global data base.

???!!!



Please have one of your neighbors warns us if you ever shave your head.



mnottertail -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 2:27:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
kool then the state can pay for everything under the doctrin of parens patria as trustee to the child beneficiary.

Many people are already suing the states for presuming the trustee position in a protection racket to extort money from tax payers but not holding up to their presumed trustee duties.



1. The child benefits in that the fuckhead parents are stupid, and they give the child a chance to live. And the government often does pay.

2. And they are losing those cases by nearly the same number.

oh yeah, and that would be ae as in plural and royal.



chasteboi99 -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 2:34:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Why is this the greatest idea since sliced bread?


I hate sliced bread



popeye1250 -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 4:28:09 PM)

If Mr Gates wants to register and give vacines to all newborns in the world and pay for it using his own funds then it's his money isn't it?



jlf1961 -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 5:17:54 PM)

I am writing my congressman and telling him to sponsor a law that would have everyone that preaches the stuff that Hunk, real and rule preaches be implanted with a tracking chip.



pahunkboy -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 6:27:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I am writing my congressman and telling him to sponsor a law that would have everyone that preaches the stuff that Hunk, real and rule preaches be implanted with a tracking chip.


What is you are too late?



Real0ne -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/17/2011 9:16:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
kool then the state can pay for everything under the doctrin of parens patria as trustee to the child beneficiary.

Many people are already suing the states for presuming the trustee position in a protection racket to extort money from tax payers but not holding up to their presumed trustee duties.



1. The child benefits in that the fuckhead parents are stupid, and they give the child a chance to live. And the government often does pay.

2. And they are losing those cases by nearly the same number.

oh yeah, and that would be ae as in plural and royal.


nah they renig

when the gub does a trust beneficiaries pay the trustees!  LOL



EternalHoH -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/18/2011 5:50:32 AM)

The Gates Foundation is on some big kick to deal with 3rd world health issues, and this is merely one of them. They seem to be one some kick to save all those 3rd world kids from premature death. OF course, they have no plan to deal with the overpopulation problem that results from saving every one of them.

Eccentrics who have money are a real problem.



samboct -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/18/2011 6:01:20 AM)

Actually, as Gates points out that although it may seem paradoxical- reducing child mortality results in fewer overall people. What happens is if you think that 2 out of your 5 kids are gonna die, you have 6, just to be sure that you have at least 3. If you feel confident that your kids aren't going to die- you have fewer of them.- hence reduced population growth. More education also leads to fewer kids.

The Gates foundation has been doing a good job of game changing in Africa as far as I can tell- I've met one of their representatives at a meeting- she was quite attractive and earnest- and not slow either. Often Gates foundation money comes with less strings than US gov't aid money where we put restrictions on condoms and sex education so that Bush could comply with the wishes of the bible thumpers.

Sam



Musicmystery -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/18/2011 6:47:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

The Gates Foundation is on some big kick to deal with 3rd world health issues, and this is merely one of them. They seem to be one some kick to save all those 3rd world kids from premature death. OF course, they have no plan to deal with the overpopulation problem that results from saving every one of them.

Eccentrics who have money are a real problem.


Yeah, let the fuckers die is so much more enlightened. Because everyone knows this is what's behind population increases.

As is, of course, fervently opposing family planning, even simply condoms.

Think. I mean as in, thinking things through, not just typing the first thought that comes.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/18/2011 2:19:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: samboct

Actually, as Gates points out that although it may seem paradoxical- reducing child mortality results in fewer overall people. What happens is if you think that 2 out of your 5 kids are gonna die, you have 6, just to be sure that you have at least 3. If you feel confident that your kids aren't going to die- you have fewer of them.- hence reduced population growth.
Sam



I tend to doubt there is much impact from this any longer. Yes, at one time there was a biological imperative to have large families (or non-monogamous) relationships, but the relatively small improvements that can be achieved in infant mortality even in those third world countries that have populations large enough to impact world populations arent likely to change that much. Social norms (ZPG) and governments(incentives/disincentives for children) have far greater impact.



samboct -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/18/2011 4:40:14 PM)

Wilbur

Do you have any data to back up that assertion?

Because I just dug out this reference-http://www.uneca.org/Publications/FSSD/State_of_Demographic_Transition_in_Africa.PDF

B. Theory of demographic transition
According to the theory of demographic transition, the shift towards low mortality and fertility rates occurs when there is a process of overall modernization resulting from industrialization, urbanization, education, empowerment of women, as well as substantial overall socio-economic development. Such a shift leads initially to a drop in mortality through progress in hygiene and medicine and, subsequently, to a decline in fertility occasioned by economic growth. Mortality decline as a precondition for fertility decline forms the cornerstone of the theory. In this regard, the classical wisdom often describes infant mortality as a decisive factor influencing parents to reduce their fertility. The relationship between socio-economic development and fertility decline has also been the focus of many discussions. Although the theory has experienced a great deal of critical analysis, it remains a useful framework for discussing the dynamics of fertility and mortality changes.


Sam



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Bill Gates wants to register all new babies on the planet for vaccines Bill Gates is promoting (1/18/2011 4:54:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: samboct

Wilbur

Do you have any data to back up that assertion?

Because I just dug out this reference-http://www.uneca.org/Publications/FSSD/State_of_Demographic_Transition_in_Africa.PDF

B. Theory of demographic transition
According to the theory of demographic transition, the shift towards low mortality and fertility rates occurs when there is a process of overall modernization resulting from industrialization, urbanization, education, empowerment of women, as well as substantial overall socio-economic development. Such a shift leads initially to a drop in mortality through progress in hygiene and medicine and, subsequently, to a decline in fertility occasioned by economic growth. Mortality decline as a precondition for fertility decline forms the cornerstone of the theory. In this regard, the classical wisdom often describes infant mortality as a decisive factor influencing parents to reduce their fertility. The relationship between socio-economic development and fertility decline has also been the focus of many discussions. Although the theory has experienced a great deal of critical analysis, it remains a useful framework for discussing the dynamics of fertility and mortality changes.


Sam



Re your question, no, I said "tend to doubt".

However your quote tends to support, not negate my post. My response was to your post which was very specific about infant mortality being a decisive factor.

In your quote above:

The first two sentences result in an attribution of fertility drop to economic growth, not infant mortality in and of itself.
Then it talks about classical wisdom being that infant mortality is a decisive factor. It does not support that "classical wisdom", and from that I would infer it questions it.
It then returns to socio-economic conditions as being a useful framework. I cited social and governmental influences...same thing.



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