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MissAsylum -> RE: no limits period (2/2/2011 4:40:05 PM)
even though I am a person with a reasonabe grip on reality, they don't know that. there have been a few that catch what i'm getting at. they give me hope for online. quote: ORIGINAL: lally2 .... yes but in reality - percentage wise, how many submissives would actually mean that when they say 'no limits' - arent they making the leap that you are, generally, a reasonable human being with a reasonable level of respect for other human beings and that you dont particularly want to spend the rest of youre life in prison.

IronBear -> RE: no limits period (2/2/2011 5:51:48 PM)
Lights a pipe and sits back awaiting the perennial annoying wanker to try to derail MA's comments.......

takemeforyourown -> RE: no limits period (2/2/2011 7:09:10 PM)
I don't do 'No Limits'. Something nasty is bound to happen.

Sundowner -> RE: no limits period (2/3/2011 1:21:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chulain quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc You can think whatever you want and be as closed minded as you like - you can sit there behind a computer screen and type how lame or how much a fantasy something is and deride people who do not share the same ideas of you all you like. Doesn't mean that you are right for everyone, just for you. And you can sit there behind your computer screen and lie to me and Marc2b (or yourself) and claim you have no limits. Just take the time to stop and think about it. "No limits" means the submissive cannot say no to anything. That would be tantamount to a non-consensual relationship. A non-consensual relationship can only exist if the the force of law enables it ... followed by a lot of rather silly stuff I know that bit was posted ages ago but some of us come late to the party. Would you mind awfully if (even though there's no way in the world she needs it) I just stepped between you and dc and said that you appear to be a complete pillock with the manners and perception of an unruly child and if you want to insult her (as opposed to simply disagreeing with her) do it over my dead body? (Just clarifying my view on this).

golemx -> RE: no limits period (2/3/2011 8:10:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: asubsydneymale quote: I have been asked to take part in a play session that will have a period where there will be no limits, no permanent marks or injuries will occur, nothing illegal, no scat. During the no limits period, I will be bound, blindfolded and have been informed that excessive screaming will result in my mouth being taped, I want to and don't want to - what do you think ? I think it is silly to say there are no limits and then list the limits. If you trust these people and want to play with them, then have fun. If you don't then say no. I don't know any of the people involved, so I really can't say if it will be safe or not. Exactly. First off, there are always limits. Are you willing to die? I doubt very many people are, so admit there are limits. Second, to define the limits and then say there are no limits is the height of self-contradiction. Holding contradicting ideas seems to be a part of this scene and the mind games we enjoy, but that is just too obvious on the fact of it.

TotalDiscipline -> RE: no limits period (2/4/2011 11:54:42 AM)
quote: Exactly. First off, there are always limits. Are you willing to die? I doubt very many people are, so admit there are limits. ...healthy minds know....that is not meant with no limits In a relation..the last thing what you want for eachother is death.

RCdc -> RE: no limits period (2/4/2011 12:17:59 PM)
Firstly... Mr SD... you are a wonderful and charming man. xxxxxxxx Secondly. quote: ORIGINAL: golemx Exactly. First off, there are always limits. Are you willing to die? I doubt very many people are, so admit there are limits. <,snip>, but that is just too obvious on the fact of it. I always oggle at these kind of statements. One. People ALWAYS have to use such obvious and ludicrus examples such as...'can I kill you' or' can I cut off your leg'... it's pointless DRAMA and SCAREMONGERING. Secondly. Anyone who put's 'I'm not willing to die' and calls that a hardlimit is doolallee... if you think you are never going to die - bad luck....and that is just too obvious on the fact of it.

NihilusZero -> RE: no limits period (2/4/2011 3:35:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc Firstly... Mr SD... you are a wonderful and charming man. xxxxxxxx Secondly. quote: ORIGINAL: golemx Exactly. First off, there are always limits. Are you willing to die? I doubt very many people are, so admit there are limits. <,snip>, but that is just too obvious on the fact of it. I always oggle at these kind of statements. One. People ALWAYS have to use such obvious and ludicrus examples such as...'can I kill you' or' can I cut off your leg'... it's pointless DRAMA and SCAREMONGERING. Secondly. Anyone who put's 'I'm not willing to die' and calls that a hardlimit is doolallee... if you think you are never going to die - bad luck....and that is just too obvious on the fact of it. I find it laughable that people think some might not die for their partners (in WIITWD or vanilla relationships). The connectional motivation to do so happens in many ventures of human interaction (surely most parents would say this about their children). I think this is just an easy extreme to throw out that seems more plausible because (at least perceptually) relationship turnover seems to be so common these days. It's like tossing out a shock-factor "You wouldn't insert yourself in a Saw trap for your partner, would you?!?!" when, often times watching some of them, it occurs to me someone who's into bladeplay, or hook suspension, or scarification...chooses to engage in that type of activity for leisure! Forget about what further extremes they'd go to for someone they genuinely felt a deep connection with.

Awareness -> RE: no limits period (2/4/2011 8:23:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lally2 quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness I think you're a moron if you even consider it. And that you have deep psychological issues. ..... and youre rude - he could in fact be more self realised than you will ever comprehend (clearly). Are you retarded? Can you not see the irony in complaining about rudeness toward someone who's contemplating the virtue of enduring searing levels of pain and having his mouth filled with shit? Which, by the way, is what the original post said and is what I responded to. Strange how it seems to have been altered. I suspect dirty work is afoot.

littlekitten1 -> RE: no limits period (2/5/2011 5:14:16 PM)
Wow... This thread is certainly interesting :p I wanna just say that I don't believe in truly -no limits- stuff because of obvious limits, that anyone sane would have such as killing other, raping kid, pulling your eyes out... I could go on. Even the most submissive person would probably desperately try to get away if these things were required of them. That's why no-limits is not truly possible. However no limits within the Dom's limits as long as he's sane, probably is. Well truly no limits would probably be possible, but only for really, really twisted people :p And those are extremely rare. I do however believe in the lack of consent. A dom may be blackmailing their sub, or perhaps the sub has such deep devotion to their Master, that they'd do a lot of creepy things for them, even go beyond some of their hard limits(and I mean that in the sense, that even when they want to say no, they simply cant in fear of losing their dom all together or something like that). It's kind of a grey area. Anyway, I know I'm late to the party, but they are just my thoughts. Of course, I don't know as much as everyone else, since I'm still so young but this is just what comes to my logical mind when I think of this subject :)

Ishtarr -> RE: no limits period (2/5/2011 5:45:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: lally2 quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness I think you're a moron if you even consider it. And that you have deep psychological issues. ..... and youre rude - he could in fact be more self realised than you will ever comprehend (clearly). Are you retarded? Can you not see the irony in complaining about rudeness toward someone who's contemplating the virtue of enduring searing levels of pain and having his mouth filled with shit? Which, by the way, is what the original post said and is what I responded to. Strange how it seems to have been altered. I suspect dirty work is afoot. Are you trying to suggest that because somebody would choose to engage in behavior you don't agree with, it's justifiable for you to be rude to them unprovoked?

golemx -> RE: no limits period (2/5/2011 6:38:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc Firstly... Mr SD... you are a wonderful and charming man. xxxxxxxx Secondly. quote: ORIGINAL: golemx Exactly. First off, there are always limits. Are you willing to die? I doubt very many people are, so admit there are limits. <,snip>, but that is just too obvious on the fact of it. I always oggle at these kind of statements. One. People ALWAYS have to use such obvious and ludicrus examples such as...'can I kill you' or' can I cut off your leg'... it's pointless DRAMA and SCAREMONGERING. Secondly. Anyone who put's 'I'm not willing to die' and calls that a hardlimit is doolallee... if you think you are never going to die - bad luck....and that is just too obvious on the fact of it. It occurred to me when I wrote the above that someone actually might want someone to kill them. There was a case like that in Germany a few years ago I think. It's simply used as an example that there is a limit that you're not interested in. I simply prefer to be very clear because if there are limits I will go right up to and explore them if I wish.

IronBear -> RE: no limits period (2/5/2011 7:04:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero It's like tossing out a shock-factor "You wouldn't insert yourself in a Saw trap for your partner, would you?!?!" when, often times watching some of them, it occurs to me someone who's into bladeplay, or hook suspension, or scarification...chooses to engage in that type of activity for leisure! Forget about what further extremes they'd go to for someone they genuinely felt a deep connection with. Yet, as with those who are involved with Close Protection, where it is expected that you will "take a bullet" for the client, There are those silly fuckers who will and have intercepted a bullet with their bodies for a mate. I have for each of the two delightfull petite girls who were part of my merc and bodyguard team, just as they have for me. We look after each other. I have taken a hit for Neets years ago. That the shot was more than likely intended for me doesn't matter. Some mother fucker chose to attempt to shoot my lady...... Slometimes, just sometimes such suicidal acts are not always motivated by money or indeed to save family but as a genuine act of heroism and laying down their life (possibly) for the greater good.

NihilusZero -> RE: no limits period (2/5/2011 11:21:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlekitten1 I wanna just say that I don't believe in truly -no limits- stuff because of obvious limits, that anyone sane would have such as killing other, raping kid, While I can appreciate the expansiveness of your example, I'm pretty sure (at least contextually) we're all talking about no-limits in a sense that does not involve a non-consensual imposition against non-participants (such as the two examples above) in much the same way that, contextually, we're not talking about a slave being able to fly by flapping hir arms just because the D-type commanded them to "fly" unaided. quote: ORIGINAL: littlekitten1 pulling your eyes out... Not my thing. A pretty drastic extreme you've managed to find. But if there are people into self-castration out there, I wouldn't bet completely against this being possible. quote: ORIGINAL: littlekitten1 Even the most submissive person would probably desperately try to get away if these things were required of them. That's why no-limits is not truly possible. It's kind of like an infinite example problem. For every extreme tossed out, we'd only need to find 1 person that would be willing to do it. Then we can concoct another extreme and declare it "not truly possible" again...until we found someone willing to go to that extreme. quote: ORIGINAL: littlekitten1 I do however believe in the lack of consent. A dom may be blackmailing their sub, or perhaps the sub has such deep devotion to their Master, that they'd do a lot of creepy things for them, even go beyond some of their hard limits(and I mean that in the sense, that even when they want to say no, they simply cant in fear of losing their dom all together or something like that). It's kind of a grey area. Perhaps. But blackmail and someone being unable to refuse because of their own emotional feelings to someone are two very distinct shades of gray. One involves actual "abuse", the other is just self-wrought emotional addiction.

littlekitten1 -> RE: no limits period (2/6/2011 1:18:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: littlekitten1 pulling your eyes out... Not my thing. A pretty drastic extreme you've managed to find. But if there are people into self-castration out there, I wouldn't bet completely against this being possible. But because on is into one extreme doesn't mean they are into each and every extreme out there. Im sure there will always be at least one limit, unless, as I said, they are extremely twisted :p quote: quote: ORIGINAL: littlekitten1 I do however believe in the lack of consent. A dom may be blackmailing their sub, or perhaps the sub has such deep devotion to their Master, that they'd do a lot of creepy things for them, even go beyond some of their hard limits(and I mean that in the sense, that even when they want to say no, they simply cant in fear of losing their dom all together or something like that). It's kind of a grey area. Perhaps. But blackmail and someone being unable to refuse because of their own emotional feelings to someone are two very distinct shades of gray. One involves actual "abuse", the other is just self-wrought emotional addiction. Well yea, but both cases present situations where the sub is pushed to having no limits. Although, I'd prefer the latter :P Because the latter presents a no-limit/non-consent case in all the best ways. Anyway, I really don't mean to reign on anyone's parade x_x If someone considers themselves no-limit then they should have the right to, and they may even be right. I guess in my mind though, I don't seem to think of it as very plausible. Thing is, in my mind everything is either black or white. Is or isn't. For me no-limits would mean that a person would go through even the nastiest, extremest things, even worse than in cases such as SAW and stuff. And it's not enough to say you will. It will have to be in that persons heart. That they fully know they are prepared to go through this for their dom. Personally I wouldn't. But that of course, whether you will or wont can't be proven with words. And if knowing in your heart, you'd do this, then it's enough. But then it means you're extremely twisted :p But yea... >_< It's just my thoughts, and I really really don't intend to offend anyone, and if I did that, I'm really sorry.

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