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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 8:07:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

You do realise don't you, pahunkboy, that "the Crown" here doesn't mean the UK Royal Family - you know Queen Liz, Phil the Greek and all the brats. It's a legal term that translates as "the State". In democratic societies, the State is supposed to be the taxpayers.



If its common law jurisdiction it attaches, no matter how many levels deep in trust they buried you

and that is not correct.

the "taxpayers" only operate as "advisory" capacity to the legislators and the legislators have the final say.

Just another misconception being taught over the years.

ANYTHING not put in by referendum is a legislative undertaking, I dont care if its putting up a no parking sign.





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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 8:17:31 AM   
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"The Crown?"
I was unaware that Australia had a monarchy! "All hail King DONK!"
Isn't Australia some type of representative type of govt?


Doesnt matter man.

Its really easily provable that "EVEN" America is wholy operating in "SUBSTANCE" as a completely feudal society.

Just need to find books that have not been obscured by clouds.

Labels like democracy only give those ignorant of law the illusion of control, just like the word "OWNER" gives you the illusion you control your property!

YOU DONT!

They have what is called "PARAMOUNT OWNERSHIP" you have the "FEE". 

....and that boils down to "TENURE".

What you OWN is the "RIGHT OF USE" or usufructory privileges as granted by the mob government as a tenant on your land.

Meaning they can kick your ass off if you do not pay taxes!  LOL

Its the same in all common law and napoleanic jurisdictions.

I dont give a shit what the reason is that you pay taxes, good-bad-indifferent, any definition or reason will do!  They change the definitions until they find the public acceptance zone.

Do you pay taxes on your property?  YES!

Then you do not have "paramount" "absolute" ownership of your property and if it does not say that on your title you dont control it because they have a legal and commercial interest in your lands and you will find records to prove you do not own it.

quote:


Articles of confederation

Article VIII. All charges of war, and all other expenses that shall be incurred for the common defense or general welfare, and allowed by the united States in congress assembled, shall be defrayed out of a common treasury, which shall be supplied by the several States in proportion to the value of all land within each State, granted or surveyed for any person, as such land and the buildings and improvements thereon shall be estimated according to such mode as the united States in congress assembled, shall from time to time direct and appoint. The taxes for paying that proportion shall be laid and levied by the authority and direction of the legislatures of the several States within the time agreed upon by the united States in congress assembled.


and they (crown) surveyed EVERYTHING!  Here and in australia!

Now people can argue that the articles of confederation were replaced, but replaced does not mean abolished!

If it did that would mean none of the states could exist as they were created under the AOC.


It would seem obvious.

(and its no different in any country created by the old aristocracies)


quote:

ARTICLE IX.
EMINENT DOMAIN AND PROPERTY OF THE STATE.
Section
1. Jurisdiction on rivers and lakes; navigable waters.
2. Territorial property.
3. Ultimate property in lands; escheats.

Ultimate property in lands; escheats. SECTION 3. The
people <---PLURAL of the state, in their right of sovereignty, are declared to possess the ultimate property in and to all lands <---proof its plural  within the jurisdiction of the state; and all lands the title to which shall fail from a defect of heirs shall revert or escheat to the people.
09−10 Wis. Stats. 60 Updated through January 31, 2011


literally all lands have failed from a defect in hiers in the whole us of a!

Ultimate control lies in the ultimate owner!

If America is the land of the "FREE" where does that leave everyone else?

LOL

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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 10:20:36 AM   
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Sorry to intrude upon the crown/sovereignty/etc. thread, but ...


Rainwater does not just feed lakes and streams directly, it the source for all water reservoirs or collection areas in/on the earth's upper crust; the groundwater, the watershed areas, the underground streams and aquifers, etc. The majority of lakes and many streams are also fed and drained by underground sources where the two intersect. Some lakes are in areas with little rainfall and yet maintain relatively steady levels do to this underground source, which itself may originate from hundreds of miles away.

Lower lake levels during drought are due sometimes as much or more to the lower water table as to lack of direct input from rainwater. If some article states that rainwater collection cannot substantially affect what rainfall drains into lakes and streams directly, it misses the point as to the importance of the water table and aquifers  (completely misleading readers in the process). The earth knows what it's doing; if only 3% of rainwater drains into lakes and streams, it's because the hydrological system obviously places greater importance on ground water and the complex sub-surface water systems below that. Only a few plants live off of lakes and streams directly, the majority relying upon ground water, which (like most lakes) is fed from below in the absence of rainfall.

In any case the whole rain/ground water/aquifer/surface reservoir (lakes) system is complex and can be significantly different from one region to another. In most areas it would seem likely that rainwater collection could not substantially affect the local hydrological system. But it's certainly possible that in some few areas this might not be the case, e.g. if rain is scarce and the water table is both lower and less well supplied, and other communities at a lower elevation are also dependent on what little there is. Only hydrologists, not politicians or opinion writers, can ascertain that situation properly.

Government 'ownership' of water, more accurately stated as government regulation of a public good, is nothing new. Additionally, look at the many historical and especially recent conflicts among states in the US for another aspect of 'government control' of water, these states fighting over which one has 'jurisdiction,' if you will. 

http://www.google.com/search?q=US+states+water+feuds&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=US+states+water+feuds&hl=fr&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=6Up&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns&ei=80WbTfj2LYSUtwfPqPXBBw&start=0&sa=N&fp=111975f7a6e1db45

And here's a look at the situation from a broader perspective:

http://ag.arizona.edu/AZWATER/awr/dec99/Feature2.htm


But for those fearing and detesting government regulation of water, fear not. True ownership of water is coming to a town near you and, to great relief, not by the government!

T. Boone Pickens to the rescue:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/24410-t-boone-pickens-invests-in-water-should-you


We all know how well those big investor guys have done for society in the energy and financial sectors, no? Can't wait till they get a hold of this one; subsidies, tax credits, wildly fluctuating prices, bail outs, the whole lot, soon to follow. Viva la private sector!


That said, it truly does seem ridiculous to penalize people in urban and suburban areas for using a water source that is not taken from a lake or stream or well that reduces consumpton of municipal water, which is so inefficient in that it has to be treated to be safe for drinking (costing money) even though the larger part of usage is for other purposes.






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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 4:31:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

You do realise don't you, pahunkboy, that "the Crown" here doesn't mean the UK Royal Family - you know Queen Liz, Phil the Greek and all the brats. It's a legal term that translates as "the State". In democratic societies, the State is supposed to be the taxpayers.



If its common law jurisdiction it attaches, no matter how many levels deep in trust they buried you

and that is not correct.

the "taxpayers" only operate as "advisory" capacity to the legislators and the legislators have the final say.

Just another misconception being taught over the years.

ANYTHING not put in by referendum is a legislative undertaking, I dont care if its putting up a no parking sign.



Realone, dont you EVER tire of posting nonsense and being made to look stupid.

Again you are spouting B/s about hidden trusts yada yada yada.....

Read something of value on the topic, such as the Australia Act.


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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 4:35:01 PM   
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big money is involved in water...

this guy has several suits open because present water conditions do not meet epa requirements yet at the same time they will not use his technology.

Like most things UNTIL they can monopolize it to the city coffers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hydg6cvls88


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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 6:26:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

You do realise don't you, pahunkboy, that "the Crown" here doesn't mean the UK Royal Family - you know Queen Liz, Phil the Greek and all the brats. It's a legal term that translates as "the State". In democratic societies, the State is supposed to be the taxpayers.



If its common law jurisdiction it attaches, no matter how many levels deep in trust they buried you

and that is not correct.

the "taxpayers" only operate as "advisory" capacity to the legislators and the legislators have the final say.

Just another misconception being taught over the years.

ANYTHING not put in by referendum is a legislative undertaking, I dont care if its putting up a no parking sign.



Realone, dont you EVER tire of posting nonsense and being made to look stupid.

Again you are spouting B/s about hidden trusts yada yada yada.....

Read something of value on the topic, such as the Australia Act.



Politesub 53, has the adage 'You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink' even seemed more apt?

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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 7:00:22 PM   
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pS lives in his own little DNile fantasy land where shit is good to eat and smells like chocolate simply because the food and drug administration condones putting a snickers bar label on it.

Governments never follow their own laws unless forced and only a blathering fool would sneer and pretend secret trusts do not exist when that is one of the IRS's pet rabbits to chase.

Its almost as laughable as the idea all conspiracies are only "theories" because the gubberment did not acknowledge it...

may want to look in the mirror next time you talk about a nonsense.


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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 7:19:43 PM   
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quote:



big money is involved in water...

this guy has several suits open because present water conditions do not meet epa requirements yet at the same time they will not use his technology.

Like most things UNTIL they can monopolize it to the city coffers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hydg6cvls88





Yes, the monopolization of water treatment to city coffers, a dollars hand-over-fist bonanza if ever their was one. That's why they're shuttering schools and laying off teachers and reducing public transportation and ....



If one were searching for a prime example of a business relying on the teat of taxpayer money as part of the business plan he could hardly do better than this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hydg6cvls88

A water reclamator, but with a twist ...

The FAQ section of the company's website:

http://reclamator.com/faqs.html

first explains the absolute steal this thing is, -only- $20,000 for one residential unit, with the added bonus that after you buy it, you get to pay a $44.88 minimum monthly service fee on it! Or, the higher model for $25,000 for the privilege of paying  a $67.32 minimum monthly service fee. Is this a great country or what?

Wait! It's even a greater country than you think, and I bet at least some of you are on to what this guy is about already if you watched the video ...

Again from the FAQ:

quote:


Q:  Is grant money available to offset the cost?

A:  Yes.  Upon start of the project an application will be made for federal grant assistance to pay, at a minimum, 75% of the costs incurred establishing the RECLAMATOR™Service in Los Osos.  This normally takes a couple of years to acquire.  Upon it being issued, you will be directly reimbursed moneys you have spent for Service Establishment up to that 75%.



What a surprise!  (NOT!)


But one can get a hint of how bright this guy is by noticing that he first states it as "federal grant assistance to pay, at a minimum, 75% of the costs" then says in the last sentence "reimbursed moneys you have spent for Service Establishment up to that 75%.
Then this little matter of what this guy says about National Science Foundation approving his product, and the what the NSF themselves told somebody who bothered to ask them:

http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/Assets/PL/pdfs/Reclamator+Information+Bulletin.pdf

"Advanced Environmental Systems advertisements suggest that the Reclamator system is approved by the nationally recognized testing laboratory, NSF. The County (San Luis Obispo) has been advised by NSF that althoughAdvanced Environmental Systems submitted a product for testing called the BESTEP many years ago, neither the BESTEP nor the Reclamator is currently approved by them."

Straight shooter, this guy is.

Also, why his he making such a fuss about whether potential customers (one born every minute) will still be charged for municipal service when that system discharges the reclaimed water into the sewer system? What is this thing for? If it treats the waste water to be 100% potable, why is it being discharged at all? What IS this guy talking about?


In any case, residential water reclamators have been around for years already, treating for re-use in toilet tanks and yard use, etc. at about 1/10 the cost of this guy's units for the most expensive models, though not for potable water. Whatever this guy claims about his product, after seeing what he's really about and the dodginess of his claims elsewise, I absolutely would NOT trust what he says about the safe drinkability of the reclaimed water out of it.


This is supposed to be our salvation eh?


~ sigh ~ .....







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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/5/2011 7:39:26 PM   
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This guy may or may not succeed with this scam but even if he doesn't there are plenty more where he came from.

Next thread someone starts about why the US is losing manufacturing capability, losing jobs to offshore, etc. this provides a near poster perfect example of why and how it's happening. Who wants to waste time investing in machinery, engineers, etc. when there are so many scams to choose from that bring a far greater return?




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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 8:30:21 AM   
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Yes, the monopolization of water treatment to city coffers, a dollars hand-over-fist bonanza if ever their was one. That's why they're shuttering schools and laying off teachers and reducing public transportation and ....


ok for the sake of an argument the guy may be on the take.  I did not post that to propose or sell anything, but only to illustrate that there are private solutions.  

Nothing wrong with recycling the water continually.

What better way to keep water from becoming the next commodity that will ultimately be ruled by the MOBocracy of course in the "name" of the people since that sells so well.




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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 11:27:56 AM   
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pS lives in his own little DNile fantasy land where shit is good to eat and smells like chocolate simply because the food and drug administration condones putting a snickers bar label on it.

Governments never follow their own laws unless forced and only a blathering fool would sneer and pretend secret trusts do not exist when that is one of the IRS's pet rabbits to chase.

Its almost as laughable as the idea all conspiracies are only "theories" because the gubberment did not acknowledge it...

may want to look in the mirror next time you talk about a nonsense.



Got you....... No laws or treaties on earth exist, because you say they dont..... Way to go brains.

If you couldn`t find the Australia Act, try the Statutes of Westminster.


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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 4:26:30 PM   
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"The Crown?"
So,.....let me get this straight. Some guy supposedly pulled a sword out of a block of solid granite in which it was imbedded (by who?) which is immpossable for anyone to do, and that meant he could be a "King?"
That's way too close to Santa Clause/Easter Bunny land to be believed!
More like the theives of the spoils re-writing the history book to suit themselves.
C'mon Australia, it's the 21st century! You don't "owe" England anything.


"And he named that sword,........EX....CALIBRE!!!"
("PFFFFT!!!")

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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 4:37:12 PM   
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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 5:05:21 PM   
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"The Crown?"
So,.....let me get this straight. Some guy supposedly pulled a sword out of a block of solid granite in which it was imbedded (by who?) which is immpossable for anyone to do, and that meant he could be a "King?"
That's way too close to Santa Clause/Easter Bunny land to be believed!
More like the theives of the spoils re-writing the history book to suit themselves.
C'mon Australia, it's the 21st century! You don't "owe" England anything.


"And he named that sword,........EX....CALIBRE!!!"
("PFFFFT!!!")


Pops, thanks for the thoughts, such as they are, but we're far too sane here in Oz to run with any of your suggestions. We already have our own looney Right here too. It's tiny and kinda amusing when it has a good day. Not as bloodthirsty as the American looney right seems to be but we like things that way.

As it happens I took a peep at the comparative incarceration rates for the USA and Oz - it seems you guys throw people into jail at approx 5 times our rate.* What does that say about our respective countries I wondered ...?

A friend suggested it meant that Americans are 5 times more likely to be off the rails than us. I can't say I'm entirely persuaded by that interpretation .......but she does have a point doesn't she?


* 743 vs 138 per 100,000 population http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate#Comparison_with_other_countries


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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 5:19:25 PM   
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"The Crown?"
So,.....let me get this straight. Some guy supposedly pulled a sword out of a block of solid granite in which it was imbedded (by who?) which is immpossable for anyone to do, and that meant he could be a "King?"
That's way too close to Santa Clause/Easter Bunny land to be believed!
More like the theives of the spoils re-writing the history book to suit themselves.
C'mon Australia, it's the 21st century! You don't "owe" England anything.


"And he named that sword,........EX....CALIBRE!!!"
("PFFFFT!!!")


Pops, thanks for the thoughts, such as they are, but we're far too sane here in Oz to run with any of your suggestions. We already have our own looney Right here too. It's tiny and kinda amusing when it has a good day. Not as bloodthirsty as the American looney right seems to be but we like things that way.

As it happens I took a peep at the comparative incarceration rates for the USA and Oz - it seems you guys throw people into jail at approx 5 times our rate.* What does that say about our respective countries I wondered ...?

A friend suggested it meant that Americans are 5 times more likely to be off the rails than us. I can't say I'm entirely persuaded by that interpretation .......but she does have a point doesn't she?


* 743 vs 138 per 100,000 population http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate#Comparison_with_other_countries





yeh but we have a good excuse, some of those prison bonds after a few years make upwards of 400 million bucks!


hell the courts have to make a little extra money somehow!





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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 5:21:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

pS lives in his own little DNile fantasy land where shit is good to eat and smells like chocolate simply because the food and drug administration condones putting a snickers bar label on it.

Governments never follow their own laws unless forced and only a blathering fool would sneer and pretend secret trusts do not exist when that is one of the IRS's pet rabbits to chase.

Its almost as laughable as the idea all conspiracies are only "theories" because the gubberment did not acknowledge it...

may want to look in the mirror next time you talk about a nonsense.



Got you....... No laws or treaties on earth exist, because you say they dont..... Way to go brains.

If you couldn`t find the Australia Act, try the Statutes of Westminster.





its just a fockin piece of paper dood!







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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 5:33:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

"The Crown?"
So,.....let me get this straight. Some guy supposedly pulled a sword out of a block of solid granite in which it was imbedded (by who?) which is immpossable for anyone to do, and that meant he could be a "King?"
That's way too close to Santa Clause/Easter Bunny land to be believed!
More like the theives of the spoils re-writing the history book to suit themselves.
C'mon Australia, it's the 21st century! You don't "owe" England anything.


"And he named that sword,........EX....CALIBRE!!!"
("PFFFFT!!!")


Pops, thanks for the thoughts, such as they are, but we're far too sane here in Oz to run with any of your suggestions. We already have our own looney Right here too. It's tiny and kinda amusing when it has a good day. Not as bloodthirsty as the American looney right seems to be but we like things that way.

As it happens I took a peep at the comparative incarceration rates for the USA and Oz - it seems you guys throw people into jail at approx 5 times our rate.* What does that say about our respective countries I wondered ...?

A friend suggested it meant that Americans are 5 times more likely to be off the rails than us. I can't say I'm entirely persuaded by that interpretation .......but she does have a point doesn't she?


* 743 vs 138 per 100,000 population http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate#Comparison_with_other_countries




Tweak, that stuff may or may not be true, certainly the incarceration rates are true because of drugs, we do border a third world narco country. But I was talking about "kings." Do you guys believe in "fairy dust" and "dragons" and shit too? "Kings?" "Queens?"
I mean after serving as a penal colony for England one would think you'd want to be done with them!
I read somewhere that more than 40% of Australians are decended from Irish prisoners who were sent to Australia.
The concept of a "monarchy" is just so foolish, childish and disagreeable in the U.S. that if someone tried to proclaim themselves as our "king" they'd be shot.

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HOUSE OF LORDS.............................. SENATE

HOUSE OF COMMONS............... REPRESENTATIVES

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PAY FEE TO THE LORD..............PAY TAXES TO
............................................ LORD GUBBERMENT

PARAMOUNT LAND...............PARAMOUNT LAND
INTEREST IN KING.............  INTEREST IN STATE

1 MONARCH.........................51 MONARCHS
..........................................(pretending to be a republic)

arguably not HUGE differences in structure, duties and power.

close enough for horse shoes!

whats not to love?






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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/6/2011 7:01:45 PM   
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Tweak, that stuff may or may not be true, certainly the incarceration rates are true because of drugs, we do border a third world narco country. But I was talking about "kings." Do you guys believe in "fairy dust" and "dragons" and shit too? "Kings?" "Queens?"
I mean after serving as a penal colony for England one would think you'd want to be done with them!
I read somewhere that more than 40% of Australians are decended from Irish prisoners who were sent to Australia.
The concept of a "monarchy" is just so foolish, childish and disagreeable in the U.S. that if someone tried to proclaim themselves as our "king" they'd be shot.

Pops, opinion polls consistently show most Australians would prefer Oz to be a Republic. Personally I view monarchy with distaste.

There's a sort of unwritten consensus here that when the current occupant of the UK throne vacates it, we'll have a referendum and get rid of the monarchy forever. Personally I'd prefer to get it over with asap.

As it will make little practical difference it's not regarded a high priority. But it's pretty likely that it will happen before too long.

Also I find your blaming high incarceration rates on 'bordering a narco country' unconvincing. It's said that 80% of our jailbirds are there for drug related crime too. I'd imagine that ratio is pretty standard across the western world (but I could be wrong). Not many western countries have Mexicos on their doorsteps.

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RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage thi... - 4/7/2011 12:32:54 AM   
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This issue is being blown out of proportion. Parts of Australia including Adelaide have suffered from a 5 year drought. Our major river is nearly dead because of the amount of people placing dams and other diverting of the natural river flow.

What the NRM are doing is trying to place metres on the dams to try and quantify the amount of water being harvested.

Any licensing fee recovered, gets spent on improving the indigenous environment. It is a statutory body that has a independent management board and free from political influence.


how does that work?  You just described a fictitious governmental body with no legitimate authority!

There is no talk of any fee for anyone who uses less than 5gigaletres. So most people will not be affected.




The Government has legislated the body to regulate and look after the natural resources. There is an annual levy applied to all land owners administrated by the Local Councils that forms the budget for the NRM Board.

The NRM then spends that money on research, projects to improve the ecosystem, etc.

The NRM has the additional power to protect a water source after an extensive legislative process.
The NRM board will then give out water allocations, and have a right to charge a license fee.

What the NRM board is proposing is already being done along parts of the River Murray.  Its only new for this region.

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