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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/27/2011 10:29:40 AM   
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Avast is fab.


I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole, after hassles a few years back, but I dare say that's an unreasonable prejudice as it was a while ago.

Funny how having several of your machines fucked-up by a company's products can put you off said company for life :)

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/27/2011 10:31:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		True. I had that with Mcafee, had a network of 5 and it failed every one... I really couldn't recommend it now.

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/27/2011 10:48:39 AM   
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True. I had that with Mcafee, had a network of 5 and it failed every one... I really couldn't recommend it now.


Oh fuck MacAfee. Fuck it in its fat little face. Useless. Worse than useless, in fact, due to a) the damage it tends to do in "sorting stuff out" and b) the number of false positives it often throws up.

I wouldn't wipe my arse on that POS "application".

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/27/2011 11:04:13 AM   
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I've been running Spybot S & D for years, and it's always been reliable. (And I have a fondness for it because its inventor wrote it for his girlfriend as a present. Awwww!) But I've found that Antimalwarebytes' Antimalware whacks more baddies. I've been using that now for a couple of years. - http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php


Interesting - I use Spybot because (as a non techie) I just do what my techies tell me to, and they all seem to use it. Apart from the LinuxNerds, of course, but I try not to talk to them if at all possible. I wouldn't want to catch what they've got.

I'll have a look at some point though, thanks.



What about Microsoft Security Essentials?

This is a freebie antivirus and antispy. I only discovered it recently, so I thought I'd give it a try. It seems to be pretty highly recommended - to the point where people are saying that there's no point in buying security software anymore. It has a consistently extremely good record in particular for avoiding those false positives. The second version was released just this week.

I uninstalled my Kaspersky (I can reinstall if need be - it was provided by the uni I worked for) and installed MSE a few months ago. No problems at all so far. It's light on resources and will allow a fast boot of your pooter, too.

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/27/2011 11:41:23 AM   
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What about Microsoft Security Essentials?


I've heard mixed things. I do sometimes wonder though if merely putting "Microsoft" on a product is enough to get techies and general punters sneering (witness the plethora of ignorant & inaccurate comments here whenever anyone mentions browser security), so I'd give it a go at some point, but I've yet to encounter a situation my current "personal, home" regime (AVG 11, Spybot, Peerblocker) hasn't handled, so I'm in no hurry to change apps. My home router is set up slightly differently from most people’s security setup though, so that may also be a factor.

I try, once I've got a stable build, OS and Apps-wise, to not try too much new stuff, if that makes any sense. So I've got this machine (mine, games, net, Office, Apps, Downloads, Personal Home network, Email, CM), my laptop (mine, mostly my business OS & Office, plus a few Apps and a very few games, for when I'm away from home and bored, personal home wifi), work PC (secure network*, soft-capped build, hard business only) and works laptop (a "review" machine I use for "have a look at this" Apps, some business, non-secure network access, work email, home & work wifi, etc. a.k.a. "the sacrificial lamb"). The latter machine is what anything "play with and tell me what you think" gets lobbed onto, as well as any new Dev stuff I'm expected to comment on, and sometimes gets used as a "show & tell" machine for Dev meetings, etc. If anything's going to get buttfucked, it's the poor works laptop, bless it. So far it's had 3 new hard drives (due to techies not treating it with the respect it deserves) but has been otherwise fine.

*and when I say "secure", I don't mean the usual sort of "secure", I mean "fucking bulletproof" - the "non-secure" networked laptop is closer to a standard or extended corporate build

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/27/2011 1:58:07 PM   
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Hmm. AVG 2011 will install on XP MCE but not XP Pro. It says it does not support the OS.

Is it possible it requires a service pack ? The install of Pro (build 2600) is totally fresh, and all the drivers are in, and most of the software. The only things I nixed were the Roxio player because it's going to have VLC on it, and Hydravision (which puts a transparent TV screen right on the desktop) because they disabled it in XP. It ran fine in 98.

RF - "I try, once I've got a stable build, OS and Apps-wise, to not try too much new stuff, if that makes any sense."

It makes sense to me. You don't even want to know how old some of my software is. Let's put it this way, Office 97 Pro is among the newer of the lot. Hey, it works fine for me, and on these newer machines runs like greased lighting. Don't even ask what versions of Paint Shop Pro and Adobe Photosuite (or whatever) I have.

The only thing I can find on the MCE box is that it has SP2. Could that be the problem ? No service packs ?

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/27/2011 2:00:38 PM   
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RF - "I try, once I've got a stable build, OS and Apps-wise, to not try too much new stuff, if that makes any sense."

It makes sense to me.


Yeah, but my hardware and Apps don't have Noah as a previous owner :)

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/28/2011 3:14:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just uninstalled AVG 2011 on PC2. I don't have all day. I'll run the restore disk every month if I have to.

My sister, she gets it how it is. The small drive will be cloned to the medium drive. She will boot off that until she fucks it up. Then unlike LAST TIME, she WILL NOT boot off the small drive. Clone it. No more. I might just keep the small drive to be sure.

On PC1, I'll reload my small drive and I'll find something to which I can clone it. I'd rather fight than switch, like a Terryton smoker.

The fact is I tried to get AVG 8.5. I liked it. Oh well. From now on it's the old way. My virus protection will now be either Norton Ghost or a disk cloning utility from a harddrive manufacturer. I won't have any real downtime, I have three PCs.

I am done playing games, I am not waiting a half a minute for the browser to open. I am not listening for the hard drive to start clunking. I don't have time for this bullshit. I want this shit to work NOW.

I also know how to read a URL, I know how to pull the plug. I know my shit and how it acts. Maybe I have more balls than brains but I got disks ! And a few spare harddrives to make HARD backups on.

Andre is a system administrator and I asked him what he used and he said "nothing". He said he always keeps a spare loaded drive for his system. Maybe his software is better than mine (Win 2000 Advanced Server), maybe he knows more. Maybe I don't care as long as I got disks. But the fact is if I wanted a damn 486 I could get one easily.

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/28/2011 3:25:49 PM   
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I am done playing games, I am not waiting a half a minute for the browser to open. I am not listening for the hard drive to start clunking. I don't have time for this bullshit. I want this shit to work NOW.


Then try buying and using something decent, not ancient crap.

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My virus protection will now be either Norton Ghost or a disk cloning utility from a harddrive manufacturer. I won't have any real downtime, I have three PCs.


<pisses self laughing>

You’re like a bloke whose idea of self defence is to press a loaded gun to his own head :)

Look, here's Computing 101, free, gratis and for nothing - it's all about the data. Your scorched earth policy is the sort of thing tinfoil hat wearers do, coz they've got nothing worth saving or using later.

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Andre is a system administrator and I asked him what he used and he said "nothing". He said he always keeps a spare loaded drive for his system. Maybe his software is better than mine (Win 2000 Advanced Server)


It's only 11 years old, so fairly contemporary :)


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, maybe he knows more.


Or maybe he's a fucking idiot - have you considered that possibility? :)

Hey! Here's an idea! If you want to run old shit, why not get into Linux? It isn't any better, but at least it'll keep you occupied for longer, and will thus provide a hobby that will benefit both you and I ;)

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/28/2011 3:46:04 PM   
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I will put a gun to the head of a virus, and if the OS goes with it fine. Yes it is all about the data, but that's why there are more harddrives, and CDRs, DVDRs, thumbdrives and so forth.

And this wondeful AVG 2011 program found no threats.

Like I said I don't have all day.

I ran Linux for a short time, I guess I could get used to it. If the solution is to throw money at the problem, I'll just get a MAC. If I have to learn a new OS anyway, why not ?

Andre could be an idiot but I doubt it. I could be an idiot but I've run for years "bareback" without problems. As I mentioned before, maybe it's what I DON'T do.

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/28/2011 4:04:09 PM   
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I will put a gun to the head of a virus, and if the OS goes with it fine. Yes it is all about the data, but that's why there are more harddrives, and CDRs, DVDRs, thumbdrives and so forth.


What you don't seem to grasp is that, if the data gets compromised, then that's that.

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Like I said I don't have all day.


If that were true, given the universal time vs. money equation, you'd have bought something decent and learned how to use it.

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I ran Linux for a short time, I guess I could get used to it. If the solution is to throw money at the problem, I'll just get a MAC. If I have to learn a new OS anyway, why not ?


I see you as a born Mac user, as it happens, so good call :)

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Andre could be an idiot but I doubt it. I could be an idiot but I've run for years "bareback" without problems. As I mentioned before, maybe it's what I DON'T do.


Or, more honestly - nothing you have in the way of data is of any value, ergo you aren't fussed about either securing or storing it.

Oh, and a "sysadmin" running Windows Server 2000 "Advanced", in 2011?

He's a clown.

Who do you both work for, Gutenberg?

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/28/2011 4:36:10 PM   
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I have always wanted to try a Mac out.

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/28/2011 5:01:05 PM   
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That was years ago, 2000 wasn't that old.


FFS, in technology terms, it's the Stone Age.

You seem like a bright guy, but you don't seem to make very bright decisions in this area.

Or are you just terminally tight-arsed? :)

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I have always wanted to try a Mac out.


Technologically clueless ... keen to look "alternative" ... yep, you're their target market all right :)

Seriously though, it'd save you a load of hassle, by the sound of things. You're the sort of bloke who buys a Model T Ford, then complains when it breaks down on the way to the shops.

"But it's a car, just like all these new fangled modern cars!".

Well yes. And yet and at the same time, no :)

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/29/2011 2:41:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't let them pull me along by a nose ring.

You need a software update.
You need a hardware update.
You need a software update.
You need a hardware update.

I don't play that game. I got two PCs now that do everything and outrun any new box from Bestbuy or whatever junk emporium anyone prefers. Like your TV, buy one every two years. Get a new car every year. If I had a billion dollars I wouldn't do that shit. My next car might just be older than I am. Fuck this new shit, it doesn't last. The law of diminishing returns - for me. The law of more returns - for them. Therefore I stop the process thus. I got just about everything worked out now. My 80GB is reloaded. I didn't lose a single file.

Who's virus scanner is better now ? Really it took me less time to reload Windows without formatting than it took AVG to do a virus scan the other day ! Fuckit, all I need is multiple harddrives and not to lose the disks. Sorry I bothered everyone, I just thought the symptoms were unusual. Wait until I get there again. Registry ? Dangerous ? Balderdash. (as long as you got disks)

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/29/2011 4:07:24 AM   
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I don't let them pull me along by a nose ring.


*chortle*

That's one way of putting it ... there are others :)

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RE: PC : Ghost in the machine ? - 1/29/2011 9:59:44 AM   
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