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Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 5:32:47 PM   
Aylee


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Status: offline 		There are more methods of cooking veggies than the "Holy Method."  You boil the hell out of them.

I think that if more people, especially parents, would learn some of these methods, more people would eat their veggies. 

BTW, French fries and ketchup are NOT veggies. 

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 6:58:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		So you are saying that we can take the poor potato, boil it until tender and mash it to a pulp where we can add butter and cream?  

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 7:00:37 PM   
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I had a can of mixed veg tonight, no glamour there. Excellent point though, Aylee!

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 7:10:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are other ways besides breading 'em and deep frying 'em?  

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 7:56:12 PM   
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So you are saying that we can take the poor potato, boil it until tender and mash it to a pulp where we can add butter and cream?  


You can, but it is still not a veggie.  If you do it with cauliflower, you can can it a veggie!    Add some parm cheese and fresh ground pepper!  YUM! 

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Mmmmmtaters!!

I had a can of mixed veg tonight, no glamor there. Excellent point though, Aylee!

Thanks.  I was thinking about it tonight and I wonder if a lot of people's lack of veggie eating is because they don't cook them well.

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There are other ways besides breading 'em and deep frying 'em?  

Actually, Steven there is.  Might I recommend a grilled ratatouille? 

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 7:57:31 PM   
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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 7:57:45 PM   
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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 7:59:40 PM   
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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 8:00:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I actually do like My veggies steamed or raw.  I'm not much of a fruit person, but I don't pass on vegetables.

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 8:01:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aren't potatoes a vegetable? It's not the potato itself that's not healthy, it's what you put on it.

I personally like cottage cheese instead of sour cream.

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 8:13:24 PM   
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Aren't potatoes a vegetable? It's not the potato itself that's not healthy, it's what you put on it.

I personally like cottage cheese instead of sour cream.


I am pretty sure they are classed as a starch.  The same with corn. 

I really have no problem with people eating potatoes.  I like them as well.  And the skins are rather nutritious. 

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 8:16:40 PM   
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I am pretty sure they are classed as a starch.  The same with corn. 



Correct.  Potatoes are in fact a starch.  Corn and dried beans are also somewhat starchy as well.  We diabetics must be careful with them.  That said, the fiber offsets some of the effects of the carbs.


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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/25/2011 9:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Potatoes are a starchy vegetable on the USDA food pyramid. They exchange as starch for diabetics, but they are vegetables.

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/26/2011 2:31:54 AM   
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What they be if the fries are baked, not fried?

I prefer my fries to be baked, no sodium there (as well as oil).


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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/26/2011 9:12:06 AM   
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Now for another question...

What they be if the fries are baked, not fried?

I prefer my fries to be baked, no sodium there (as well as oil).



They are the baseball.

I saw this picture that was supposed to show portion sizing and they used sports projectiles.  IIRC, a hockey puck was your meat/protein, a softball was your fruit/veggies, and a baseball was your carbohydrates/starches.  It was kind of neat and I think that it could be an effective teaching tool for kids and guys watch sports games. 

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/26/2011 9:37:24 AM   
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I saw this picture that was supposed to show portion sizing and they used sports projectiles.  IIRC, a hockey puck was your meat/protein, a softball was your fruit/veggies, and a baseball was your carbohydrates/starches.  It was kind of neat and I think that it could be an effective teaching tool for kids and guys watch sports games. 


Only if you want your kids insulin resistant and well on their way to type 2 diabetes by the time they hit 30.  

Unless you're sticking pretty strictly to low glycemic index, not hugely starchy carbs, and in some people even if you are, that's a recipe for bad shit to happen to you, biochemically speaking.  I recommend vegetables as the biggest portion, followed by lean protein, and starchy carbs last of all.   For the carb portions, I'd recommend sticking to things like brown rice, sweet potato and other non-white root veg, baked squash, legumes (they have some protein as well), whole grains like quinoa and barley and cracked wheat, etc.  High glycemic index shit will seriously fuck you up if you eat it consistently in those "recommended" portions.

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/26/2011 10:09:42 AM   
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I saw this picture that was supposed to show portion sizing and they used sports projectiles.  IIRC, a hockey puck was your meat/protein, a softball was your fruit/veggies, and a baseball was your carbohydrates/starches.  It was kind of neat and I think that it could be an effective teaching tool for kids and guys watch sports games. 


Only if you want your kids insulin resistant and well on their way to type 2 diabetes by the time they hit 30.  

Unless you're sticking pretty strictly to low glycemic index, not hugely starchy carbs, and in some people even if you are, that's a recipe for bad shit to happen to you, biochemically speaking.  I recommend vegetables as the biggest portion, followed by lean protein, and starchy carbs last of all.   For the carb portions, I'd recommend sticking to things like brown rice, sweet potato and other non-white root veg, baked squash, legumes (they have some protein as well), whole grains like quinoa and barley and cracked wheat, etc.  High glycemic index shit will seriously fuck you up if you eat it consistently in those "recommended" portions.


Well, it was a picture I saw in a hospital cafeteria.  I do know that for kids the carbs are supposed to be yo-yo sized.  I had always heard that the meat portion should be sized as a deck of cards, so I thought the hockey puck was neat.  (And I could have the wrong sports things for the other two items.)

I use the "plate percentage" method.  I also have a smaller than normal dinner plate that I prefer to use.  50% veggie, 25% carb, and 25% protein.  These are of course just rough guidelines.  I spent many years as a vegetarian, so if anything I have to watch that I am getting enough protein.  I also still cook vegetarian meals. 

Then there are casseroles.  How do you portion size a casserole? 

At some point with the portion issues you just have to do your best to eat a sensible amount, listening to your body on when you are full. 

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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/26/2011 12:57:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think roasting vegetables in the oven in a little olive oil and whatever other spices you like makes any vegetable taste good......especially the ones I usually can only eat a few bites of such as broccoli, cauliflower and Brussels sprouts...Last week I even tried parsnips and liked them this way!



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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/26/2011 1:36:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kids have much more sensitive palates than adults. They are hard wired to avoid bitterness and seek sweetness. That's because most poisonous plants are bitter, an adult can eat some without ill effect but that isn't true for kids. It's also why kids will eat raw carrots but not cooked, because the sweetness is more developed.

My oldest still doesn't eat many vegetables, but she keeps apples and oranges and bananas in her apartment.


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RE: Eating your veggies - 1/26/2011 1:46:07 PM   
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Kids have much more sensitive palates than adults. They are hard wired to avoid bitterness and seek sweetness. That's because most poisonous plants are bitter, an adult can eat some without ill effect but that isn't true for kids. It's also why kids will eat raw carrots but not cooked, because the sweetness is more developed.

My oldest still doesn't eat many vegetables, but she keeps apples and oranges and bananas in her apartment.



That is interesting as I have found that cooking carrots makes them sweeter.  With certain recipes I have it is like having carrot candy. 

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