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mnottertail -> Too much ? (1/26/2011 11:21:30 AM)

So, as I have been considering this for some time, and listening to the howl of the banshees.

Seems to me that the plethora of fucked up and onerous law is at the state and local levels, not much of this is federal law.

We really probably need to have alot less government at the state and local level.  

My own experience is that the federal law is not to hard to follow or to deal with, but state and local laws are some convoluted, overbearing, inconsistant and fucked up shit.

Nutsuckers wanting less government should make their wars there. 




truckinslave -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 11:34:54 AM)

I love your sense of humor.
Like, 0bama0Care.... "not to (sic) hard to follow or to deal with".
Riiiiiiiight.
How many pages is the federal tax code?
Riiiiiiiight.
Perhaps you're just snowed in if you have to be this ridiculous to try to get a little action.....




Marc2b -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 11:54:49 AM)

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So, as I have been considering this for some time, and listening to the howl of the banshees.


Do you realize that this means you are going to die soon?

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Seems to me that the plethora of fucked up and onerous law is at the state and local levels, not much of this is federal law.


You can find fucked up and onerous law at all levels of government. The question is: where is it easiest to bring about change? It is a lot easier to convince a majority of twelve thousand or even twenty million than a majority of three hundred million. It is also a question of legitimacy. The federal government has intruded itself into areas in which it has no constitutional authority to do so.

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We really probably need to have alot less government at the state and local level.


We need a lot less government everywhere.

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My own experience is that the federal law is not to hard to follow or to deal with, but state and local laws are some convoluted, overbearing, inconsistant and fucked up shit.


Have you considered that a lot of state and local laws are the result of federal mandates?

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Nutsuckers wanting less government should make their wars there.


What about the rest of us?




Musicmystery -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 2:07:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So, as I have been considering this for some time, and listening to the howl of the banshees.

Seems to me that the plethora of fucked up and onerous law is at the state and local levels, not much of this is federal law.

We really probably need to have alot less government at the state and local level.  

My own experience is that the federal law is not to hard to follow or to deal with, but state and local laws are some convoluted, overbearing, inconsistant and fucked up shit.

Nutsuckers wanting less government should make their wars there. 

Ron, I've been pointing this out for 30 years.

As a percentage of population, Fed govt HAS shrunk, while state and local govts have ballooned.

And all those cuts end up having to be handled at the state/local level--including taxes.




Moonhead -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 2:10:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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So, as I have been considering this for some time, and listening to the howl of the banshees.


Do you realize that this means you are going to die soon?

I don't think he's Irish, so that won't be a problem.




mnottertail -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 2:14:01 PM)

I shall of course have me bottle of Jameson at the ready, should such dire circumstances materialize.




Moonhead -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 2:18:40 PM)

Begorrah!




mnottertail -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 2:20:16 PM)

Well, shiver me shillelaghs...don't start keening for me quite yet.




Marini -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 2:49:26 PM)

hi ron,

I agree, many just prefer to bitch and complain about the federal government because they are a bigger target.

These same people often don't realize it is their own state government, that often is kicking them more in the ass.

Can't see the forest because of the trees is a common phenomena.
I have always trusted the state government much less than the federal government.




MrRodgers -> RE: Too much ? (1/26/2011 4:17:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I love your sense of humor.
Like, 0bama0Care.... "not to (sic) hard to follow or to deal with".
Riiiiiiiight.
How many pages is the federal tax code?
Riiiiiiiight.
Perhaps you're just snowed in if you have to be this ridiculous to try to get a little action.....
The banchees are singing a sweet, sweet lulliby and it is music to my ears because the die is cast. Totalstate debt is $1.5 Trillion...a nice round figure.

I refuse to believe that the public still doesn't see the writing on the wall. I am a capitalist so I love...LOVE govt. BTW, the tax code is now in total is over 13,000 pages. They didn't get there by accident. They were all purchased by the plutocracy.

In the last 30 years the fed. govt. has spent $14 Trillion it didn't have. Where do you think most of that money has gone ? It continues to spend $trillions more...it doesn't have and over and above the trillions is spends that is does take in. Probably the single most incredible profit center of history.

It starts wars, also very, very profitable, it reduces what little taxes I was paying and then in the face of ever larger deficits, it continues my tax cut. I am so flush...it's a rush.

It gives me a lowly 15% federal tax on my partnerships, my paper and real estate profits and it may go even lower yet. This while you working stiffs pay up to 35% even though you may risk your life...while I risk something much more important...my money.

It bails me out when I get a little too big for my britches (too fail) and add to all of that...it throws $1/2 Trillion at the drug companies for a retail drug subsidy. Govt. throws $Billion at big ag., billions at various other producers...no strings, just a gift...or ok, if you must...corporate welfare.

I am sitting on $2.9 Trillion in profits, the most ever versus GDP. My corporate taxes are going even lower yet. I am still 'killing' as many American jobs as I can and making them Chinese. I am in the business of 'killing' American jobs.

I want Obama re-elected again, again and again. I the 'capitalist' love his brand of socialism. I am going into the medical services industry. You are about to be forced to buy my very hi price and getting higher...non-medical insurance, unless you have great lawyers. Another vast incredible profit center.

You can be dem or repub, you can be right or left, you can be right in the center...it doesn't make shit-pot full of difference to me the capitalist. Just keep govt. just as it is now and has been for 30 years. I am loving it.

Oh, as for state govt. they are very, very nice too. Maybe not quite as pretty as the feds but if you think those so-called state constitutional balance budget requirements upon state treasuries prevents them from borrowing, you've been living in a different world. They only need to pay all of the interest on their bonds.

Under the R. Reagan federal income tax cuts, 81-84, many state tax budgets suffered because they are a % of fed. tax. States borrowed $150 billion in the first 4 years of Reaganomics.




Marc2b -> RE: Too much ? (1/27/2011 6:55:06 AM)

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I don't think he's Irish, so that won't be a problem.


So the Banshees are racist too? That's disturbing.




mnottertail -> RE: Too much ? (1/27/2011 7:18:30 AM)

Nope, they are a guild, like Sons of Norway, Sons of Bitches, and catholics. 

They only bedevil their own kind, its in the magna charta.




Jeffff -> RE: Too much ? (1/27/2011 7:23:59 AM)

Tools of the Queen.




Real0ne -> RE: Too much ? (1/27/2011 7:31:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So, as I have been considering this for some time, and listening to the howl of the banshees.

Seems to me that the plethora of fucked up and onerous law is at the state and local levels, not much of this is federal law.

We really probably need to have alot less government at the state and local level.  

My own experience is that the federal law is not to hard to follow or to deal with, but state and local laws are some convoluted, overbearing, inconsistant and fucked up shit.

Nutsuckers wanting less government should make their wars there. 


I gotta hand it to ya, on this you are bang on!

Glad you took a moment to take a closer look.

HOWEVER regardless of what we have been led to believe the fed and the states are joined at the hip.

The problem I expect in your state as well as mine is that your legislature I am willing to bet just like all legislatures through out the country DO NOT HAVE TO PASS BY-LAWS (State statutes) THAT ARE CONSTITUTIONAL!

That is the whole problem with the whole system once they removed the common law standards of quid pro quo and joined the law of the land with equity split the courts into public and private and few even know about the private side, did the federal overlay hence everyone is a res-ident, removing the living man and woman from the equation and re-venuing living people into commodities.

This was done at the federal level and the states jumped on that money wagon.

As I said before that I had a very nice conversation with a state attorney about this matter and told him flat out that the legislatures today simply THROW SHIT AT THE WALL forcing the average mom and pop to spend their life savings fighting for their rights against the democratic KING (State) that has infinitely deep pockets.

Basically they pick people off one by one wiping them out as a result of so-called law that never should have made it to print in the first place.

This state attorney who's name I shall not mention for obvious reasons admitted that there are literaly 1000's of laws on the books that should be removed because of legal flaws and other issues with them but they are understaffed and at the same time this attorney to show how busy they are stated that they passed over 400 new laws last year for the state.

Now..........Ignorance of the law is no excuse, does not matter that there are 60,000,000 of them.

The average mary and joe have nothing better to do than study law to keep the democracy off their ass while the kids fucking starve.

Then when mary and joe fight for their rights under the republic they go into a democratic court who does not recognize them as such because the courts are administrative under the statute merchant and the law of the land, (common law) is not statutory!   Aww to bad mary and joe have no remedy and they think they are going to get  a fair hearing and are none the wiser.  to bad....

What happened to allodial title?  Land that was supposed to be owned free and clear with NO TAXES?  It does not exist!  Why because all property of this nation has been put up for collateral against the debt with the 50 SOVEREIGN democracy KING'S as the PARAMOUNT owner to all titles of all land within the boundaies known as the United States.

Proof is in the escheats and eminent domain!

If they can rule you on your own land, tell you how you gotta run your life in your own house, take all your shit away, including land that they have no "visible" title too then you and everything you got is fucking PWNED! and not by you.

OOPS see what happens when we leave the quid pro quo system go fiat?

Its starts with land rights!  Everything always has been with the ability of a man or woman to be the paramount owner of property under the law of the land not "prize" of the sea and those rights can ONLY BE HAD IN THE REPUBLIC that (no longer is recognized in court without walking through a syntax minefield), and does NOT have democratic over lords, the SOVEREIGN state and their assigns.  (assigns = county, municipality)


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In addition they the states at large statutized and even commercialized the common law for the sole purpose of dragging living people with spirit and soul into the jurisdiction of commercial land!

THEY RECOGNIZE, that is the courts at the top of the food chain that common law IS ALTERNATIVE LAW to the statutes by-law and municipal codes of standards but try to go into court and get at it when they have the lower courts fencing anyone (by syntax terrorism) who tries to get a hearing under common law.  you need to be smarter than the judge much less the opposing attorney.

The advantage of common law is that you go into court and they cannot "construe" how they want to interpret it.  (in other words fuck you if your fight is with the city, state, fed overlords)

In common law the law has very strict application and people can easily digest common law and hang their hat on it knowing that it will be the same year after year as it has been since the beginning of time or have very little change.

Rather than making what amounts to extremely minor adjustments to the common law to accomodate todays society they went into equity giving the judges wide latitude over anything that comes across the bench.

Judges are supposed to under common law determine the facts and apply the law but today they can make new law from the bench and rule any damn way they want based on if they got laid the night before and how they used the words.  Back to syntax terrorism.  With words you can make anything you want.

4, four, fore, for

that is how they get you in testimony.  they pick which ever one they want, also in your briefs.

When going into court you need (or at least I do), to have a fucking definition page of every damn word you use including the fucking word "the" to avoid the syntax traps because they will construe everything in favor of the STATE over lord if you do not.

People are so busy yapping about how they think things should be that they are blind to see they can never have it unless they get down to the business of changing it at it core and you are correct it starts in your own back yard.

A good way to start is live and let live but nope everyone wants to impose their way of life on everyone else and they form their mobs (democracies) and force others and lose every damn one of their rights in the process.   Freedom is in the republic and slavery is in the democracy.  Any wonder the founders hated democracy except for the sole purpose of  protection of life and limb and peaceful intercourse between sovereign people.  That was the original intent, but of course they were talking about themselves in a 2 tier society.





Elisabella -> RE: Too much ? (1/27/2011 10:07:41 AM)

TL;DR

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
What happened to allodial title?  Land that was supposed to be owned free and clear with NO TAXES? 


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
People are so busy yapping about how they think things should be that they are blind




Real0ne -> RE: Too much ? (1/27/2011 3:00:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

TL;DR

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
What happened to allodial title?  Land that was supposed to be owned free and clear with NO TAXES? 


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
People are so busy yapping about how they think things should be that they are blind




Yeh well welcome ot my short hand LOL
try this:
People are so busy yapping about how they "think" things should be that they are blind to the way things are "really supposed to be".




pahunkboy -> RE: Too much ? (1/27/2011 3:08:11 PM)

I dont think they should try to fix it.

Think paperwork reduction act.    Same thing.




Real0ne -> RE: Too much ? (1/27/2011 3:33:08 PM)

well ron made a damn god bang on target observation in his op imo and like my conversation went with that state attorney, one of the things we argued about was his claim that the "judicial" was the last defense and anything that got past the judicial was to bad so sad cast in concrete and I called bullshit.

PH you would have loved to been a fly on the wall for that conversation! I corrected him several times with regard to "law", (not the bullshit you see in so many courts), and he conceded asking me 3 times if I was an attorney. lmao

I wouldnt roll in that filth.

Anyway the longer we talked the more carefully he chose his words, and finally I told him that the final determination of the law was the people! He actually got excited when I told him that the people can judge and determine both the facts and the law in a common law "jury court".... No they cant! LOL

I reminded him of the 7th in the fed constitution and I told him to notice that any fact determined by a jury cannot be reviewed in a court of the united states, and that all courts must follow the US Supreme Court, therefore all courts are under the united states, (I didnt bother to get into the APA, title 50, and judiciary act etc....), and that the 10th is where we have the authority! He said; but its done all the time, me; sure but those are "advisory" juries not court juries. He disagreed with me and we agreed to disagree and that was pretty much the end of the conversation.

the fun part was emailing him 5 supreme court statements backing up what I claimed.

People are led to believe all sorts of SHIT to say the least and it always is in the favor of more government ______________ you name it and fleecing your wallet.

Its all about what they can get you to believe because once you believe yhou invesitigate no further. Believers pay and pay and pay! LOL




Moonhead -> RE: Too much ? (1/28/2011 5:06:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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I don't think he's Irish, so that won't be a problem.


So the Banshees are racist too? That's disturbing.

Traditionally, only a pureblooded Irish person will ever hear a banshee screaming for them as their death draws near.




Marc2b -> RE: Too much ? (1/28/2011 6:37:19 AM)

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Traditionally, only a pureblooded Irish person will ever hear a banshee screaming for them as their death draws near.


So that would be a yes... the Banshees are racist. Sigh. Then again maybe the whole Banshee thing is a result of another Irish tradition: [sm=chug.gif]





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