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SubmProfMale -> From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 7:54:57 AM)

I've long been intrigued by the notion of being a PIG or, even more so, by the process of being made into a pig. Perhaps it's more a fantasy than a realistic desire. But I often wonder what it would take for a Mistress to transform me, albeit slowly over time, from an educated, well dressed, professionally employed male submissive into a pig, and whether I could handle it at all. Stripped of my ego, considered and treated as property, referred to as "it" rather than "he", deprived of all orgasmic release, denied any "rights" to negotiate the terms of the 'relationship', expected to serve, service and please without dissent and with few limits, objectified and used without hesitation.

I submit this to Ask a Submissive/Slave because I am curious whether other submissives harbor similar fantasies or desires, and whether any have made this journey. I am certainly also interested in whether Dommes find the notion of a pig alluring or whether they consider it nothing more than another male fantasy of no value to a Domme.




poise -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 8:01:14 AM)

I've never entertained that idea, and I'm certain He would not find it alluring.
Although, He does enjoy hearing me squeal in delight. So maybe.......[:-] ?




preytolife -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 8:20:49 AM)

No. I find it utterly unappealing and degrading (which for me is bad). Seems like that might take a bit of effort, so finding the Domme for the job might take a bit of doing.




DarkSteven -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 8:41:34 AM)

Paging Circe.... paging Circe.....




Genobee -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 9:24:04 AM)

Hmm...so basically you want to indulge in a desire for a mistress to make your mind and body somewhat equal to that of a pig? Or something like that at least...
Honestly, I personally would recommend to keep this as a RP.
I can understand the desire of wanting to embrace new levels of submission and humiliation, but you have to consider the effects this could have on the other areas of your life.
RP is always a safe way to explore fantasies that would normally be too harmful on your life to do out of RP.

With that said I suppose I can humor you~
A pig is fat so she would have to feed you fatty foods till you were fat.
She would have to take away the dexterity of the human body so rubber balls filled w/ cement glues on all your fours could do that I guess.
The next part would be constant mental messages to convince your mind that all you can do is oink and do the things of a pig.
To actually cause such a technique to work though, it would take many years...
I think it would be best to settle w/ just practicing doing pig-like things as your mistress dictates them.
Of course this would probably always leave you with an option to break free from the mental control of it if you wanted to,
where as constant mental messaging could actually convince your mind that you are a pig to some extent.
Anyhow, that's my best explanation of how one would do it.
I again urge you to keep such desires into RP alone though... :x




GreedyTop -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 12:01:54 PM)

*drools over pic of Genobee*

I'm sorry.. what was the topic?




porcelaine -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 12:23:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SubmProfMale

But I often wonder what it would take for a Mistress to transform me, albeit slowly over time, from an educated, well dressed, professionally employed male submissive into a pig, and whether I could handle it at all.


Greetings SubmProfMale,

The stripping that you've mentioned isn't a foreign concept and is often attractive to those that lead respectable lives who were raised in households where the idea (breeding) was heavily impressed. I'm not suggesting that it speaks of parental influences, but perhaps in an indirect fashion their desire to break free and let loose stems from earlier experiences. As for your question, yes, there are many people that engage in that style of play and it can be very satisfying for all parties involved. The caveat is weeding through ones desires to distinguish the fantastical from the realistic elements that you could put into play on a consistent basis.

While the idea of living in the manner stated may have an immense sexual appeal, are you certain that it is something you would wish to do without constraint or rebuttal? Since you're referencing dehumanization, what happens when you desire intimacy and other aspects of relating that are generally considered "normal?" Are you willing to silence those yearnings to exist in the fashion suggested? Because in all truth that is the reality of what you're proposing and personal preferences are of little consideration. It is rarely the physical aspects that wear on its practitioners, but the mental and emotional ramifications and seeming neglect (as perceived by the recipient) that most cannot endure long term. For these reasons and more many couples bridge the gap and include intentional stimulation (i.e. scraps) that addresses the internal deficits the slave encounters.

Although you may believe you'll never experience that, emotional sadism has a unique way of tearing down barriers and the nakedness can be more intense than anticipated. If you're truly a well adjusted individual that has become accustomed to emoting and receiving the same from your partner, the stark changes could be very disconcerting. In my opinion ones success if often dependent on a stable framework and real transparency on both ends. As such, the dominant acknowledges his need to object, humiliate, and dehumanize his property, but doesn't lose sight of the realities of flesh and the importance of even handed management. On the submissive end, he must be willing to withstand the eruptions and place himself firmly in the care of the dominant party.

This isn't a situation where one can waver or harbor doubts about their partner's capabilities on any level. Trust is paramount. You're traversing the abyss and diving in headfirst with little knowledge of its depths or alterations the experience will bring into fruition. Not knowing is part of the journey and oftentimes its most attractive feature.

Namaste,

~porcelaine




DesFIP -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 1:01:42 PM)

But pigs don't do dishes, drive the car to pick up the dry cleaning and so on.

Not to mention, what does she get out of it? She doesn't have someone to sit and talk things over with when she needs that. She doesn't get a hand doing grocery shopping. She gets to do all the work and you get to stay in your happy place.

This is something you do for an hour at night or the occasional weekend. It isn't something to do 24/7.




windchymes -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 2:32:01 PM)

Unless you can find a spider to spin a web for you, we kill pigs for bacon and ham and *drool* side pork. We don't keep them for jollies.

...unless your last name is Ziffle.





Chulain -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 3:17:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SubmProfMale
denied any "rights" to negotiate the terms of the 'relationship'

Well that part just ain't possible, even if you do the air quoty thingy around "rights" and "relationship."




BonesFromAsh -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 3:28:58 PM)


OP, what does this....

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubmProfMale
I've long been intrigued by the notion of being a PIG or, even more so, by the process of being made into a pig.


have to do with these actions.....

quote:


Stripped of my ego, considered and treated as property, referred to as "it" rather than "he", deprived of all orgasmic release, denied any "rights" to negotiate the terms of the 'relationship', expected to serve, service and please without dissent and with few limits, objectified and used without hesitation.


?

To me, the idea of being a pig would involve becoming more pig-like...animalistic. The actions you ascribe to your view of being a pig seem to have more to do with humiliation and objectification and less to do with being an actual pig.

So, which is it?




windchymes -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 3:33:51 PM)

Come to think of it, don't pigs have 30 minute orgasms???




BonesFromAsh -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 3:38:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Come to think of it, don't pigs have 30 minute orgasms???


That would explain the smile....



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porcelaine -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 3:40:42 PM)

In my opinion the bestial interpretation has the same undercurrent as the objectified aspects mentioned. Both are characteristic of dehumanization and the OP indicated his desire to be treated as an 'it' in his earlier comments. How that transpires is up to the dominant, but they're typically coming from the same place so to speak.

Namaste,

~porcelaine




windchymes -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 3:49:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh


quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes

Come to think of it, don't pigs have 30 minute orgasms???


That would explain the smile....





Too funny, Bones!

(I deleted the photo so as to save bandwidth!)




BonesFromAsh -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 3:49:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

In my opinion the bestial interpretation has the same undercurrent as the objectified aspects mentioned. Both are characteristic of dehumanization and the OP indicated his desire to be treated as an 'it' in his earlier comments. How that transpires is up to the dominant, but they're typically coming from the same place so to speak.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



I understand what you're saying, I guess I see it a bit more literal. Some pigs (the animal version) can be sweet and submissive...usually when they're young. But, the older they get, and depending on which sex and the conditions they're kept in, they can become grumpy, bossy, territorial and aggressive. What I'm trying to get from the OP is why he feels the actions he described relate to becoming a pig.

Again, perhaps I'm being too literal.

ETA...for what it's worth, I don't see a pig as a humiliated creature. The actions a human uses towards such an animal...that's another story.




porcelaine -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 5:16:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh

I understand what you're saying, I guess I see it a bit more literal. Some pigs (the animal version) can be sweet and submissive...usually when they're young. But, the older they get, and depending on which sex and the conditions they're kept in, they can become grumpy, bossy, territorial and aggressive. What I'm trying to get from the OP is why he feels the actions he described relate to becoming a pig.

Again, perhaps I'm being too literal.


Greetings BonesFromAsh,

This typically unfolds in a literal sense with requisite costuming, pen, and other accoutrement that simulate the animal representation we're accustomed with. The second type is more metaphorical and may not include the physical elements mentioned and the dehumanization occurs on a different level, but it's always a factor. It's the presentation that differs. If you're curious there are a few videos on YouTube that highlight this fetish.

Namaste,

~porcelaine




Missokyst -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 6:29:29 PM)

Bacon?

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
what does she get out of it? She doesn't have someone to sit and talk things over with when she needs that. She doesn't get a hand doing grocery shopping.





Ishtarr -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 9:20:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chulain

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubmProfMale
denied any "rights" to negotiate the terms of the 'relationship'

Well that part just ain't possible, even if you do the air quoty thingy around "rights" and "relationship."




Euhm, sweetie (I know how much you like that) he didn't say "have no rights in the relationship" he said " have no rights to NEGOTIATE THE TERMS of the relationship".

He basically said that the Domme would set the terms, and he'd have the option of either totally accepting those terms, or walking away from the relationship, but not the option of renegotiating the terms the Domme said.

How is that impossible?




subiota2011 -> RE: From submissive to PIG? (1/28/2011 10:41:53 PM)

Is this something you want to experience or do you want to live this way long term? First I think you could have your fantasy easy if you found one of those money Mistresses. They are pretty easy to find on this site too. Maybe I am reading into your words here but I hear you seeking two things. To me you have a thing for being degraded and there is nothing wrong with that if your into it. Under that I see that you want to experience a deep submission, you want to feel truly out of controlled and to experience someone having full control over you. In fantasy all of that seems like a super dream but if it happens in reality I believe you will learn that the fantasy is never like the reality of it. If you were to find a Mistress who you were compatible with not only in your kink but also in D/s and vanilla then that experience maybe an enjoyable one. After you are stripped and transformed you should receive plenty of after care because one of your desire consists of stripping your ego and that is very dangerous without proper build up afterwards. Your ego is part of your foundation be careful toying with it. I also think you can experience much of what you seek by becoming a slave over being a sub. Any case just remember to find a Mistress who will not only tear you down but who will also build you up afterwards. Good luck on your search




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