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tazzygirl -> RE: Another case of not right wing violence (2/1/2011 9:10:23 PM)
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No more issues with people on the left than people on the left have with people on the right. The person who began this thread is from the left. His problems with folks on the right is well-displayed on numerous threads. So what is the point of your observation? That I have the same issues from my perspective that you and others have from yours?
You have an issue with someone, then grow a set of balls and name names. But stop lumping us all into one little group. That goes for both sides of the fence.
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This woman is on trial for shooting and killing people. Other charges may include associating with drug dealers (those she made agreements with to shake down OTHER drug dealers), impersonating an officer, etc. She is NOT on trial for being a "Minuteman" (which she is not) nor is she on trial for stopping illegal aliens from crossing the border.
And you believe the facts during the trial will or wont bare out your belief?
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I don't believe I have said what I believe the Minutemen groups do. All I have stated is that they do not do anything this woman is on trial for. If you have the proof that they do and have gone on trial for it, why don't you offer it up, as asked for?
EVERETT - An Everett City Council candidate pleaded guilty this week to stealing a few bottles of chocolate milk worth $3.18 from an Everett supermarket.
Shawna Forde, 39, was ordered by an Everett Municipal Court judge to attend a theft awareness class.
Forde is the founder of Minutemen American Defense, a border-security advocacy group affiliated with the national Minuteman Project.
"The only reason I settled is because I'm shooting a documentary for my country," said Forde, who plans to work on the film on illegal immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border this fall. "I don't care (about the charges). I am way too busy nationally to worry about this."
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20070803/NEWS01/708030366
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According to the Arizona Daily Star, Chris Simcox, a leader of the Minuteman Project, was convicted on federal weapons charges for practices similar to those that the Minutemen will engage in for the month of April.
Another key figure among the so-called Minutemen is Roger Barnett, who in March 2004 kicked a woman and shouted obscenities at her while holding her at gunpoint in a remote location along the Arizona-Mexico border. In October 2004, Barnett was accused of pointing an AR-15 assault-rifle at a group of two men and three children, all U.S. citizens, because apparently Barnett confused the group with "illegal aliens."
But the grass-roots character of the Minuteman Project does not end there. A who's who among the extremist groups of the United States is also planning to join the Minutemen in Arizona this month, including the Aryan Nation, which has called the Minutemen Project "a white pride event," and the swastika-waving National Alliance.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/article_f5331cf9-b11e-5f16-8534-2168e12e4357.html
Now, if memory serves me correctly, Barnett was convicted on a few counts.
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In a verdict Tuesday afternoon, the jury in Tucson found that Roger Barnett did not violate the women's civil rights but was liable for four claims of assault and infliction of emotional distress.
It is not the first time Barnett has been ordered to pay such a civil penalty. In 2006 he was ordered to pay $100,000 to a Latino family of U.S. citizens who said Barnett threatened them while they were out deer hunting.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/20/nation/na-illegal-immig-rancher20
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As Forde made forays into other groups, she formed an association with Gilchrist, the founder of the Minuteman Project. She posted reports from the border on his Web site, and they defended each other publicly from critics.
In July 2008, Forde wrote about Gilchrist, identifying herself as "Operations Director For The Project," and saying, "The Project has worked closely with MAD (Minutemen American Defense) for several years now."
On Feb. 23, the day after Forde's hometown newspaper, the Everett (Wash.) Herald, published an exposé of Forde's background, Gilchrist defended her in an Internet posting.
"In my experience with Ms. Forde I conclude that she is no whiner. She is a stoic struggler who has chosen to put country, community, and a yearning for a civilized society ahead of avarice and self-glorifying ego."
"The Minuteman Project is proud to be a supporter of Shawna Forde's Minutemen (women) American Defense (M.A.D.)"
http://www.alipac.us/article4340.html
There is, indeed, a link between Forde and the Minutemen movement.
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Jim Gilchrist and Chris Simcox are widely recognized as the founders of the Minuteman Project. They founded the organization on October 1, 2004.[4] The two staged a month long border watch project in April 2005 and that event catapulted the Minuteman movement into the national spotlight.[5] Gilchrist chose to locate in Arizona for the Project, because there was a disproportionately large number of illegal immigrants crossing in that state.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gilchrist
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In October 2002, Simcox issued a public call to arms, inviting readers of his newspaper, the Tombstone Tumbleweed, to join a "Citizens Border Patrol Militia" whose function, Simcox said, would be to "shame the government into doing its job" of controlling the United States's border with Mexico.
He founded Civil Homeland Defense, a group which patrolled the border, and within the next two and a half years sought to assist the United States Border Patrol.
On April 16, 2010, Simcox's wife was granted an order of protection after she alleged that Simcox "brandished a gun and threatened to shoot her, their children and any police officers who tried to protect them."[9] Bounty Hunter Stacey O'Connell forced Chris Simcox into being served the Order of Protection after pursuing him for 30 days. Chris Simcox arrived at a Maricopa County Courthouse to have himself served on July 6, 2010.
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Family%20Court/092010/m4377016.pdf On September 2, 2010 a judge in Maricopa County upheld the Order Of Protection against Chris Simcox barring him from contact with his family and from keeping firearms or ammunitions. The ruling was based on Simcoxs 2002 conviction of lying to the police regarding a firearm crime, and the court found it likely that domestic violence occurred over the course of the past year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Simcox
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In 2004 Simcox was convicted in U.S. District Court of carrying a semi-automatic handgun onto a national park, and giving a "false or fictitious report" to a federal park ranger about the incident. He received 24 months of supervised probation and a fine of $1,000.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2009/04/us_senatorial_hopeful_chris_si.php
While there are no accounts, or convictions, for murder, there is plenty for violence against others as well as disregard for law.
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