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Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 9:06:39 PM   
MasterLeo78


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Status: offline 		I am curious if anyone who has used hypnosis in their training and how they went about it
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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 9:26:30 PM   
temptressofsouls


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Status: offline 		Well, I know this is the "ask a Master" thread, but i'm a subbie and have been hypno trained by the last two Doms i've been collared to and would be happy to speak to You about it. My Master might be willing, also.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 9:30:58 PM   
Saint


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Status: offline 		I use light hypnotic trances to induce guided fantasies. Beyond that, I have only ever once used a deeper trance on a person and that was because her idiot Dom had pulled her out cold during the middle of a heavy play scene and her body needed to shut down.

Basically when doing a light trance to guide their fantasies, I use a lot of background atmosphere, slight sensory deprivation in the form of a satin pillowcase blindfold and a soft, soothing, lulling voice that builds upon the images in their mind  as they are telling me.


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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 9:31:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hypnosis in slave training is not something to enter into lightly.  When you get into the depths of the mind, you can open up some major problems.  I would really suggest contacting someone like Lady D from Atlanta.  She is a licensed hypnotherapist with over 20 years certification, and over 30 years as a lifestyle domina.   Lady D was the founder and owner of PEP (People Exchanging Power) in Atlanta until she decided to close it after 12 years of operation to focus on other projects and personal items. 

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 9:37:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with LadyKim...if You havent previously studied hypnosis, i wouldnt really suggest trying to learn as You go. Even well-learnt hypnotists make mistakes, and that can be very, very dangerous. However, You might be able to find Someone who has many years of experience under their belt (and preferably certification) that could help train Yours with/for You.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 9:54:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		My father used to dabble in hypnotism and he taught me to do self hypnosis when I was very young. I would suggest self hypnosis for people wanting to modify behavior. It works as well as someone else doing it to you and it is less "dangerous". The dangers of hypnotism are exagerated in my opinion because most of us will not do anything without at least a small desire to do it. It can bring up painful memories that someone is not ready to deal with, but this is also easy to remedy if you give a suggestion to "forget" anything that the subject does not want to recall.

There are certain couples with a voice dynamic in which the voice of the dominant can put a sub in a hypnotic state (this was the case for me with my dom, when I listened to his voice it put me in this kinda La La Land because I also associated his voice light levels of subspace). So having a sub in slight levels of altered consciousness can create bonds where the voice of the dominant partner creates certain responses. I think this is what happens when subs are trained to orgasm on command, behavior modification mixed with altered states. .. But I am not an expert on THAT subject.. (damn I wish I were...lol)

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 10:08:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know personally, when I'm told to "forget" something, I'm usually more likely to remember it...However, if everything goes well during a trance i have a habit of forgetting the particulars unless prompted. I think for me, my subconcious knows everything went "okay" so it doesnt see the need to relay the details to my concious mind. If something goes wrong, however, my subconcious lets my concious know so it can be dealt with once I'm "awake."

Tone of voice is a big one for me. I know Master has to be careful of how He says things sometimes, both tone of voice wise and structurally because if He isnt careful it may cause me to start to drop, but that usually only happens at night.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 10:11:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I my self became interested in hypnosis at a very young age.
It took me 9 years and all the resources I could find!
Those experiances i,ve had along, and that long and bumpy road were definatly no laughing matter. 
 
 I find that getting over past trauma's in a relationship even before hypnosis is hard enough for some.
 
But when you dive deeper still their are spots of repression that suddenly open back up, Or memories better not rememberd.
Sadly if you wish to use hypnosis for a better enjoyment or simple play, you must be willing to take these risks. 
The person you give such controll to must be ready for such a responcibility,
and that person indead willing to deal with such things if they arise.
 
And must I add that once out a simple blanking of the memmory never really works as a simple option!
 
 As for the sensual nature of it.
 All is better unspoken if your sure of it. Lead it all from the very first word to the very first kiss, into a meaningfull road to fullfilment. And once their give then such as a moment that they will never forget....Smiles warmly.
 
   A few names I enjoyed looking up were Mezmer. James braide and of course understanding N.L.P and physcology helps.
 
 For with out human studies one could never understand natural responce, and as such...

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/2/2006 11:11:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have more danger of recovering a "false" memory than of people actually reliving something that is real, and that is the thing that is the most "scary" about hypnosis in my mind, and that can be made easier to cope with by suggestion. If someone is under enough to recover a memory they are usually sugestible to not remembering it until they feel it is safe to do so. I have watched hypnosis and it is not very scary to me because i have seen it. It is safer to do self hypnosis than to have someone running around in your mind, but I will respectfully say that some people are very suggestible and they will go under with just the D/s dynamic as was my case. I have been hypnotised before and I think there was something in my dom's voice that had an effect on me in that way. So perhaps all doms should be aware that this is the case before they send subs into space. They may be accessing parts of their brains that they hadn't planned on. That being said I still do not think light hypnosis that one does on one's self is dangerous and HUGE gains in behavior modification can be made.

Also I have seen so-called recovered memories, but one can never be sure they are real unless they are backed up with some sort of evidence.

On edit, you usually do not access memory unless asked to go back to them and that usually happens in a therapy situation. If you hypnotise yourself and suggest to yourself that you will quit smoking you will not usually come up with  being molested by a priest or something

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 12:33:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I can suggest, you do a search in both this forum and the General forum you will find a number of threads in which this has been debated hotly... Here, my only comment is that I have used and continue to use Hypnosis in therapy and have used hypnosis with the aid of chemical enhancements to interogate prisoners.. As a trained Hypnotherapist as well as a trained Psychologist, I have grave reservatios about using this with out professional and certified training..... How ever you do what you want but be prepared to answer to the consequences if things go wrong.... 

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 4:16:51 AM   
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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 8:31:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are 2 possibilities

1. It doesn't really work.....in which case why bother?
or
2. It does work....in which case why bother?

I prefer the willing, consensual, aware and active submission of my Pet.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 8:40:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, but if done right, the sub is willing, it's consentual, and the sub is aware and active during the hypnosis...It's just a heightened state of awareness.

I dont NEED hypnosis to submit, but do I enjoy the occasional trance to deepen my submission? Hell yes.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 8:41:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Who is to say that what your doing isnt willing on their part, consentual, aware and active submission? I know several submissives who seek improvement in personal parts of their lives in order to better service their Dominants and so they sought out the help of a HypnoDomme to meet that end. My one friend for example, was a SAM and she would feel tremendously guilty about it, to the point where she felt it affected her everyday performance in their relationship. After much talking and communication between her, her Dominant and the HypnoDomme, they agreed upon a course of action that combined traditional hypnosis with NLP and now their relationship is so much better for it. Nothing nonconsentual there at all, she was perfectly aware of everything happening, and she was also aware that her issue was impacting their relationship, so she got help. Not a big deal.

Everyone has this misinterpretation that hypnosis is bad, that ultimately it is nonconsentual, the parties involved arent willing, etc.etc. and 99 % of the time, this simply isnt true. If it is nonconsentual, then I believe that goes into another area, namely brainwashing to use a lewd term for it. And that is something entirely different than consentual hypnosis.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 8:47:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		But even on some level they want it to happen. Even non-consentual is consentual because they want it, and now it is brought out of them. true

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 8:49:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I believe that on some level, it is possible for a "subject" to be taken advantage of during hypnosis, but on some level, the person has to either want whats happening to happen, or want to submit or please so badly that they let it happen. Dont get me wrong, it may be only a very very minute part of their subconcious that they honestly arent aware of, but my experience is if you dont agree with what they're trying to do, it wont be successful.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 8:51:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 12:39:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The tricky part is that sometimes when you can push a sub to do things that she did not think she would want to do, but you can get her there anyway.....it's tough to know where those lines are sometimes.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/3/2006 1:41:25 PM   
temptressofsouls


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Status: offline 		Agreed. My suggestion would be, when you found yourself in that situation, to gently ease away from it and change tactics. Then, when the trance is over, talk about the specific issue in question and see how they feel about it.

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RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive - 5/4/2006 6:31:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Saint
Everyone has this misinterpretation that hypnosis is bad, that ultimately it is nonconsentual, the parties involved arent willing, etc.etc. and 99 % of the time, this simply isnt true. If it is nonconsentual, then I believe that goes into another area, namely brainwashing to use a lewd term for it. And that is something entirely different than consentual hypnosis.


I have to disagree with two points here..

  1. Brainwashing is an entirely different subject although there is a certain amout of hypnosis used to first break and then program the mind..
  2. "Everyone has this misinterpretation that hypnosis is bad,......" I have a problem with any argument which says that everyone.. I dont believe your hypothises and neither do a number of my associates or collegues thus the everyone statement is now provably false.



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