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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 12:26:55 AM

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Ah ok. I understand the sentiment, just not used to seeing you like this. And, your welcome.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 3:29:21 AM

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Firstly, I never said there was anything wrong with being pro. Secondly, pro to me (and most others) means that there is some form or transaction required that involves payment. Thirdly, it would be quite simple, once someone makes it known that they are a pro, then their profile can be flagged by the targeted customer and those reviewing profiles can see the flag and pass it by if they are not interested. Pro vs nonpro is a very significant definition in the eyes of most, in some eyes it is considered prostitution (notice that I have not commented that I think anything is wrong with prostitution). As for being a crybaby - is that how you label anyone and everyone who takes the time to voice a potential improvement to the web site?

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 3:44:31 AM

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You're lucky in that if it's not already in the profile, Pro's reveal themselves almost instantly. Delete. Block.

I want a filter for narcissistic alcoholics.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 5:53:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: manonaleash

Firstly, I never said there was anything wrong with being pro. Secondly, pro to me (and most others) means that there is some form or transaction required that involves payment. Thirdly, it would be quite simple, once someone makes it known that they are a pro, then their profile can be flagged by the targeted customer and those reviewing profiles can see the flag and pass it by if they are not interested. Pro vs nonpro is a very significant definition in the eyes of most, in some eyes it is considered prostitution (notice that I have not commented that I think anything is wrong with prostitution). As for being a crybaby - is that how you label anyone and everyone who takes the time to voice a potential improvement to the web site?

Any pro worth their salt has a profile stating that they are a pro and are up front about their position.

Any unscrupulousness person, regardless if they are a pro or not, will not be as straight forward in their profile.

Regardless, separating Pro and Non Pro would not make any difference to what you are moaning about.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 6:20:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: manonaleash

Firstly, I never said there was anything wrong with being pro. Secondly, pro to me (and most others) means that there is some form or transaction required that involves payment. Thirdly, it would be quite simple, once someone makes it known that they are a pro, then their profile can be flagged by the targeted customer and those reviewing profiles can see the flag and pass it by if they are not interested. Pro vs nonpro is a very significant definition in the eyes of most, in some eyes it is considered prostitution (notice that I have not commented that I think anything is wrong with prostitution). As for being a crybaby - is that how you label anyone and everyone who takes the time to voice a potential improvement to the web site?

Really? You don't see anything wrong with your "method"?

I'm avoiding doing my studying this morning and in a chatty mood so ok, let's say that users of this site can flag other users in the manner that you described above for being a pro. Let's pretend my own profile is changed to say that I'm looking for a partner and you contact me with that in mind...and I turn you down. Subsequently you are ticked and flag me for being a pro, because after all I must be if I'm turning away a perfectly good chance at a lifestyle relationship. You honestly don't see the problem in having people pronounce judgement in any way on others?

There aren't many lifestyle Dommes here or on any site. They get innundated with requests, any one of those potential suitors could be exasperated by not getting anywhere and decide to check off the pro flag just out of spite or frustration. I could have a beef with you and check off the pro box on you. Are you getting the fact that it really really wouldn't work?

You are right OP, this is a problem that some people are deliberately trying to mislead others, but there isnt' an effective way to clear things up or it would've been done by now. It's nice that you aren't slamming the pros, I do commend you for that, and you are right that it IS a very powerful designation to toss about so why would you want a perfect stranger whose motives are not your own be able to pronounce anything at all upon yourself or anyone else on here?

Labeling someone as a crybaby may not be the most helpful thing in the world but quite frankly neither is your solution. If you did come up with something that would improve things here I'm sure people would pay attention to it, but as it is this subject has been mentioned a bazillion times and no one has ever come up with an effective way to deal with it. You don't seem to be trolling, but you are being incredibly obtuse if this flag method is the best thing you have to offer. Do some research on past threads to become acquainted with eye-opening discussions on how men react in general to being rejected and how nasty they are to the women who politely say, no thanks. Then tell me how effective the flagging method is going to be.

It is frustrating to be misled. There are people out there deliberately misleading others in the hopes of getting some cash. It's going to be very tricky instituting anything as a fix because these people will look for ways to keep getting their $. It must work somehow for them. Sadly enough this happens in any walk of life, CM isn't special and the nice people aren't the only ones who come here but you also can't be the judge and jury of who is nice and who isn't - it's much too complicated for that. As it is I'm glad that we all get to use this site free from the worry that Joe Blow in NV will start calling other people names because he didn't get an instant Domme upon joining the site.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 6:32:53 AM

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In addition to everything elsde mentioned thus far, OP, you seem to have not differentiated between several flavors of "pro". There are:

1. Those that are stranded overseas and want you to pay airfare.
2. Those that hang out a shingle and charge clients by the hour for RL sessions.
3. Those that demand tribute.
4. Those that demand ID verification at some site.

Si,ply suggesting that they be lumped together as "pros" will meet your needs if implemented, but the ones who seek them out will demand that the so-called pros be separated somehow.

The good news for you is that if you stay on the site, you will quickly become adept at recognizing the kinds of profiles you want to avoid.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 6:47:23 AM

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Pro's aren't lifestyle?

A day in the life:

The Dominatrix Vulva comes home to the nunnery after a long day baseball batting men in the nuts, she removes her leather bustier, and donning her habit, enjoins in the evening meal, a thin gruel of oatmeal and badger fat. Normally, the vow of silence is observed, but for our report they have relaxed the rule, and she speaks freely, if softly and distinctly...

I really wish my day was over I am not of that lifestyle, she says, but I have to go up into the sacristy and take it in the ass from Father O'Herlihy.

We ask her what her nun name is, and she replies.....Mother Teresa.

From out of the lifestyle of the Rouge and the Fetish this is Robin Leach, until we meet again.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 8:27:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: manonaleash

No actually, it is not easy. When pros "veil themselves" as being non pro. Try investing time, energy and emotion into someone who finally says that they need you to join a website so you can see their private photo gallery. Or many then just want you to pay a tribute (fee) only once to prove you are sincere. It serves everyone's best interest for all of us to be honest and up front. After all we are all adults as you say.

Oh to the contrary it is that easy.

Let me guess. The profiles you keep answering are for females much younger than you. They have pictures that look right out of a photo shoot or off a porn site.

Goofus, yes they want money from you. Sign up to see my web cam sign up to see my pictures, send me some money, etc., those aren't pro's either. They are just people trying to part you from your money.

How much time could you really have invested in the 2 maybe 3 emails you've exchanged? Cause those aren't the type interested in a lot of chit chat before they want to see some cash.

I really have to wonder how you've lived to 49.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 8:55:13 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: manonaleash

Why not have a section for professional services and leave the rest for those interested in lifestyle? Seems to me if one is looking for a pro then they would go to one of many other sites that specialize in that. So why have pros listed on here?

Because the world isn't black and white, old bean, and people who screech about "ZOMG THE LIFESTYLE" are trying to enforce a false dichotomy based on illusions about a "Golden Age" that only exists in their own muddled minds.

Hope this helps!

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 9:00:43 AM

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I take issue with the proposition that pro's can be flagged. What is to stop pro's from flagging profiles from lifestyle (cringe) people to eliminate the free competition?
Having tried to put up a few ads on craigslist I can tell you that more often than not, real people are the ones who suffer from the flagging.

quote:

ORIGINAL: manonaleash

Thirdly, it would be quite simple, once someone makes it known that they are a pro, then their profile can be flagged by the targeted customer and those reviewing profiles can see the flag and pass it by if they are not interested.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 9:01:58 AM

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BINGO! DING DING DING DING!

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Let me guess. The profiles you keep answering are for females much younger than you. They have pictures that look right out of a photo shoot or off a porn site.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 9:45:07 AM

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Manonaleash, I just took a look at your profile. One of the problems you have is that no lifestyle Domme would take you seriously. That of course only leaves pros and scams.

Quit saying how hard the search is, how important is to you, and the depths of your devotion. Instead, tell who you are, and more about the kind of woman you're looking for.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 1:25:13 PM

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dark steven, I did not ask for your feedback on my profile, stick to the question at hand. My question was not "why is no one writing to me" my question was "why do we not separate pro from no pro" Interesting that every reply on here seems to be against that idea, why? What objections do you all have to separating ads based on intent? It is after all a very clear and significant designation.

Maybe someone needs to have their profile flagged a few times to be taken seriously, after all, these misleading people are clearly plying their scam on lots of people.

This issue has been dealt with effectively on many other sites and in my opinion dealing with it hear will benefit everyone aside from scammers.

Ok, who disagrees with me now, and why?

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 1:27:11 PM

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quote:

dark steven, I did not ask for your feedback on my profile, stick to the question at hand.

Dude, seriously, from what I can tell DS is a dude who has a generally good-eggish feel to him. There's no need to be rude or haughty. You will get much further if you can learn to be friendly and amiable. :)

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 1:33:47 PM

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LOL, so ds now needs you to fight his battles for him? All I did was call him out for attacking my profile, clearly that is not a game that serves any purpose.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 1:36:39 PM

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Manonaleash, you are complaining about all the fuss you go through with Dommes who are not lifestyle. I just explained to you what you should do to attract lifestyle Dommes.

That is your actual goal, right?

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 1:37:23 PM

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quote:

LOL, so ds now needs you to fight his battles for him? All I did was call him out for attacking my profile, clearly that is not a game that serves any purpose.

Nah I'm pretty sure DS can fight his own battles. It was more like I was giving you some advice, that being so reactionary and defensive with someone who seems like a pretty cool dude won't really get you anywhere. :D

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 1:45:58 PM

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quote:

My question was not "why is no one writing to me" my question was "why do we not separate pro from no pro" Interesting that every reply on here seems to be against that idea, why? What objections do you all have to separating ads based on intent? It is after all a very clear and significant designation. Maybe someone needs to have their profile flagged a few times to be taken seriously, after all, these misleading people are clearly plying their scam on lots of people. This issue has been dealt with effectively on many other sites

We already answered the first bolded section.

Regarding the second bolded section, on which sites? Someone has already explained the problem with the craigslist model of flagging.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 2:24:12 PM

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arpig please tell me, what was it that I said that you consider to be idiocy? Please, show me that you have more then, and I quote "Waaaaah" in you.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 1/31/2011 2:27:35 PM

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Someone gets flagged 5 times for being a pro in disguise and guess what, they are a pro in disguise and should be regulated to the pro section.

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