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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 10:17:21 AM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		Hmmm.  You have to love it.

Someone takes Leviticus completely out of context and attempts to make a point (Leviticus is the old Law.  Modern Christians are no longer under the old Law, as is taught in the New Testament, so Leviticus does not apply)

Other people spew hate.

God hates fags spews hate.  We know this.  This is not a new issue on the internet.  These guys have been around for years and will be around many more.  Why this old news is coming up now is beyond Me.

However, how on earth do any of you justify this "eye for an eye" mentality?  Telling them to take poison?  What exactly is your issue?  That quite simply puts you in exactly the same league as this church.  They spew hate.  You spew hate.  What makes you any better than them?  How is your hatred justified, but theirs is not?  As far as I am concerned, you are no better than them.

Does not make any sense to Me.

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 10:18:21 AM   
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rather do both thank you very much!!!
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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Hi'ah Moloch. Did I ever mention that Moloch is a perversion of the Semitic word Mulk, a form of sacrifice that could include child sacrifice? How the Hebrew ever transformed a word out of their own barbaric past into a non existant Phoenician god is beyond me. I guess they liked the idea of claiming that the Phoenicians practiced Mulk better thaqn admitting that their own ancestors did.


Umm, the hebrew had a word for this diety the hebrew pronounciation was "Molech" and I am very much familiar with the rituals surrounding this Bronze Bull god. Unfortunatley there isnt much information left to discuss this particular diety in depth.
I didnt know aboyt Mulk though, what do you mean semetic? Which pre arameic language are you refering to?

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 2:02:41 PM   
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silly monkey, everyday you breath God is saying hi to you.


Like all the rest of the immigrants he should learn to speak English before showing up here.

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 2:08:17 PM   
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Wow this site is old, we used to make fun of the site and laugh at it all the time..  A college friend bought the domain "godhatesfaqs" as a parody site.
 

Well its good to know you find homophobia and the warping of childrens minds hilarious. The site has been around for awhile. I presume you have mentioned it in places so others can be aware of the hate filled agenda, that you instigated measures to fight against it right?

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 2:13:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Weather we agree with what they say or how they say it is their legal right to say it. IF society as a whole is uphald by this then it is up to us to demand our lawmakers locally and perhaps federally to change those laws.

Do I find this site, their actions morally sickening? Yes, however what is morally expectable and legally acceptable at times do not coincide.

Everyone has a right to an opinion and to voice it. IF only the opinions and believes we liked or agreed with where spoken live and this country in my eyes would loose a great deal of its flavor and invite.
 
I would also encourage people to think strongly about revoking someones freedom of speech because the next voice stiffled may be your own.
 
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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 3:03:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Hmmm.  You have to love it.

Someone takes Leviticus completely out of context and attempts to make a point (Leviticus is the old Law.  Modern Christians are no longer under the old Law, as is taught in the New Testament, so Leviticus does not apply)


I notice that, according to his photographs, Phelps is clean shaven and thus as "trimmed the corners of his beard." 

Another damned soul

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 3:23:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I lived in Topeka, Kansas for about 9 months. Anyway, I walked right through their picketing several times, as they seem to like protesting by a high school a couple blocks from my apartment and in between my apartment and the nearest convenience store. I never talked to them, as it was clear they were set in their rhetoric, but they were polite enough to let me through and didn't try to push anything on me. So, I don't necessarily agree with them,but it didn't appear they  posed a threat, and unless confronted acted politely enough to passers by.

So, my conclusion is they are one of a 1000 groups that I don't agree with, but aren't really dangerous. So who cares. I've seen similiar hatred spewed even on these boards. So, whatever. Live and let die.


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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 5:55:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

Weather we agree with what they say or how they say it is their legal right to say it. IF society as a whole is uphald by this then it is up to us to demand our lawmakers locally and perhaps federally to change those laws.

Do I find this site, their actions morally sickening? Yes, however what is morally expectable and legally acceptable at times do not coincide.

Everyone has a right to an opinion and to voice it. IF only the opinions and believes we liked or agreed with where spoken live and this country in my eyes would loose a great deal of its flavor and invite.
 
I would also encourage people to think strongly about revoking someones freedom of speech because the next voice stiffled may be your own. 
 Blessed Be, 
 Phoenix's Nika
 

I am not implying that their rights to free speech should be revoked. I do consider that teaching children to hate like this and making them stand around with signs protesting is a form of child abuse. I also have major issues with their perversion of the bible and its intent. Quite often "churches" like these upon examination will be found to be violating numerous laws pertaining to the seperation of church and state. It pretty much sucks that our AG endlessly harrases adult websites and adult freedoms to their own from of consensual sexuality while never taking to task or at least looking into the laws that churches may be breaking.

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 6:53:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		A couple of things:  While it is sort of a 'real' church, from what I've read the vast majority of its 87 members are from Fred Phelp's family.  (He has been quite busy in the begatting department.)

Yeah, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination.  And eating shellfish is an abominiation.  Same word, like 6 lines apart.  So I think we should all stone to death everyone who has ever been in a "red lobster." 

The funny thing is, Jesus didn't seem to care about sex issues (aside from the not judging thing--as in 'let ye without sin cast the first stone') but seemed to really care about poverty (something like 3,000 mentions!).  I could understand if these people were Orthodox Jews, but someone once said "Christian" was linked to a follower of this Jesus dude?  It must be a net rumor because they don't seem to have any relation, but if they did, I'd be curious why they are ignoring the statements of this Jesus guy to focus on the stuff that he was putting aside.  But like I said, it is probably just an urban legend.

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 7:56:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Wow this site is old, we used to make fun of the site and laugh at it all the time..  A college friend bought the domain "godhatesfaqs" as a parody site.


Well its black humor …their ideas are so weird and hate filled it comes off like a sick joke.
I think because they are so extreme and come off like lunatics this little cult hasn’t gained followers outside of this one twisted little family. I like they fact they come off bad and outrageous.
With a more seductive message and more tack they could convert real followers and cause real trouble.
They just need to keep being crazy and reminding sane people that most people don’t want to worship a god that’s a wrathful monster.  

As for the little in this family 4 years ago they asked her if it’s a sin to hate, she said not with Gods “perfect hate” that I didn’t find funny but chilling.

In fact there are some good parody sites
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
Remember this is joke!

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 8:00:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ladychatterley


Yeah, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination.  And eating shellfish is an abominiation.  Same word, like 6 lines apart.  So I think we should all stone to death everyone who has ever been in a "red lobster." 



Man if I end up in hell because of hot buttered crabs legs I will be pretty pissed!

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 9:11:06 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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Status: offline 		I am not implying that their rights to free speech should be revoked.

Good, because as I said if one persons voice is taken away there may be a domino affect and some day your voice to call it hateful, ect may be taken away.

I do consider that teaching children to hate like this and making them stand around with signs protesting is a form of child abuse.

And I consider parents who force children to endure daily mass or hours of religious rituals to be a form of brain washing.I think making a child eat everything on their plate is abusive.  However, there is no law that says these things are "abuse". There is a nation wide protest  done by a group called Alpha Cisis Pregnancy Center. Children hold up anti-abortion signs along signs their parents. Again morally reprehensible to some perhaps but totally legal.

 I also have major issues with their perversion of the bible and its intent.
 
In my opinion EVERY church or religious sect prevert the bible in some form another to suit them. Who are you or I to dictate what religious beleives someone can buy into?

 Quite often "churches" like these upon examination will be found to be violating numerous laws pertaining to the seperation of church and state.

In my opinion schools violate the laws of church and state when they have children say the words "one nation under god" again unless there is local or federal laws saying something violates church and state its legal.

 It pretty much sucks that our AG endlessly harrases adult websites and adult freedoms to their own from of consensual sexuality while never taking to task or at least looking into the laws that churches may be breaking.

There are people who look into laws that churches break, however; I know that many sects take care of certain things in-house. Many religious sects have taken alot of heat in the past because actions of one or more members of that religious group. The reality is the state stays out of the business of churches UNLESS they are violating laws(i.e. priest molesting children, imbesseling, ect)The reality is there is ONLY so much legal groups can do about religious groups and what they do.
 
Blessed Be,
 
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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 10:49:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		These jackasses were front page news for a good while several months ago.  Where have you people been?

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 11:02:07 PM   
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These jackasses were front page news for a good while several months ago.  Where have you people been?
 
Very subtle,, subtlesub. I was where I always am. Endlessly bringing things to peoples attention. As in posting about this very same thing since a long time ago. Do you think its best to just hope that others saw it on the news and forget about it? Or is it better to keep alive things that people should be concerned about?

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/3/2006 11:39:39 PM   
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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/4/2006 3:01:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moloch

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rather do both thank you very much!!!
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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Hi'ah Moloch. Did I ever mention that Moloch is a perversion of the Semitic word Mulk, a form of sacrifice that could include child sacrifice? How the Hebrew ever transformed a word out of their own barbaric past into a non existant Phoenician god is beyond me. I guess they liked the idea of claiming that the Phoenicians practiced Mulk better thaqn admitting that their own ancestors did.


Umm, the hebrew had a word for this diety the hebrew pronounciation was "Molech" and I am very much familiar with the rituals surrounding this Bronze Bull god. Unfortunatley there isnt much information left to discuss this particular diety in depth.
I didnt know aboyt Mulk though, what do you mean semetic? Which pre arameic language are you refering to?



There is no Phoenician record of this supposed deity to be found either in their writing or in archaeology. Due to the nature ofthe name, it is assumed that Molech was a figment of the Hebrew imagination. This is not to say that the Phoenicians did not practice child sacrifice, as they did. What it does tell us is that the Hebrew did as well. Later generations decided to cover the shame of their past by dumping the blame on a fictitious Phoenician god, Molech.
http://members.bib-arch.org/nph-proxy.pl/000000A/http/www.basarchive.org/bswbSearch.asp=3fPubID=3dBSBR&Volume=3d6&Issue=3d1&ArticleID=3d9&UserID=3d0&
 
Above is a link to the Biblical Archaeology Society archives. A commentary discussing child sacrifice and the Molech/Mulk connection begins on paragraph 12.

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/4/2006 6:07:36 AM   
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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/4/2006 6:12:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moloch

Thre are references of god Moloch in the 8th-6th century BCE. Moloch was worshipped as a god before he became biblical reference. And to be quite honest  I dont trust "Biblical Archaeology Society "


May I venture to ask what these 8th-6th century references are, and where they can be found? If you don't care for the BAS, perhaps the Oxford Companion to the Bible may help illuminate this matter. It says virtually the same thing. I am not aware of any online version of the OCB, but most public libraries carry a copy or two.

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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/4/2006 6:19:36 AM   
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RE: GODHATESFAGS.COM Baptist Church - 5/4/2006 6:44:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

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ORIGINAL: Moloch

Thre are references of god Moloch in the 8th-6th century BCE. Moloch was worshipped as a god before he became biblical reference. And to be quite honest  I dont trust "Biblical Archaeology Society "


May I venture to ask what these 8th-6th century references are, and where they can be found? If you don't care for the BAS, perhaps the Oxford Companion to the Bible may help illuminate this matter. It says virtually the same thing. I am not aware of any online version of the OCB, but most public libraries carry a copy or two.


Despite your claims, it's uncontested the MLK (Moloch) is intimately associated with Phoenecian culture (particularly at Carthage).

http://phoenicia.org/childsacrifice.html

Additionally, there are numerous indicators it was a foreign practice to the Biblical Jews and likely associated with a number of related Near Eastern gods.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10443b.htm

To be sure, it's entirely possible MLK was used to refer to a kind of sacrifice and it's even likely in limited contexts. However, Eissfeldt's assertion that this was probable as a practice of the Jewish people is without evidence beyond conjecture. All archaeological evidence indicates it was practiced by a number of Near Eastern cultures (notably at Carthage), but there are no such tophet sites found connected to the ancient Israelites.

*meow*

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