Rule
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However, the problem is that it is hard to ignore people who post completely false arguments and it is in human nature to make attempts to refute the argument.
It is one thing to refute arguments and quite another to refute straw man arguments.
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The second possibility is that he is actually delusional, and he posts these things because he believes them, and he believes that he is superior to everyone else, and he thinks that he somehow has to get us to believe he is superior and see the truth as he sees it.
Me being delusional is a distinct possibility. Solipsism is intriguing. I do recall that I once in a long ago thread asserted to have created the whole universe. 
I do not believe anything, I think. I either know or I do not know.
There are all kinds of superior people. Some are perfect archers, another can pour a whole can of oil though the tiniest pore without the oil touching the rim of the tiny pore, and yet others can cuss birds to drop dead out of the sky. And then there are yet others who know the logic and arguments of people without having been told them: non-delusional mind-readers such as yourself.
I have no objective whatsoever to make people see the truth as I see it.
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In which case we, as a group, by providing proof disputing his statements, or even demanding verifiable proof to support his statements
I am most interested in facts and appreciate it whenever those are supplied. This area of interest is hampered by the lack of - findable - facts. I did try to get facts on the Amish inherited diseases, but unfortunately the Amish hospital that specializes in these ailments does not have an e-mail address. They can only be reached by phone or perhaps by normal mail.
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Finally, there is the possibility that he is neither a troll or delusional
 neither?
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Here is what I have come to know about Rule.
Like Realone, he may or may not be an anti-government extremist
May or may not. That is deep thought. I admire people who make such profound philosophical statements.
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Here is what I have come to know about Rule.
although he has posted things in support of Realone in the past, especially in the case of 9/11.
I admire RealOne. I wish I could comprehend what he was talking about when he is talking law. I know, though, having read 'The Lord of the rings' that there are nine rings for the kings of men.
I am always most interested in what RealOne sniffs out as regards 911. However, though some of his finds are pertinent, I do not think that I have supported him all that much.
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He has posted a lot of stuff denying the extermination of Jews by the Nazis.
You are confused. I have never denied that. However, I have said that the nazi's were financed by USA Jewish bankers.
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He has put forth the argument that Timothy McVeigh was not executed, but is alive and well in some sort of witness protection type program operated by the government, which implies he believes the government was involved in the bombing in Oklahoma city.
It is quite easy to prove me wrong: just show me his corpse.
Government. You have such profound thoughts! You might as accurately have said 'street salesmen of ice-cream', or 'electricians', but no: you go for the glamor. I am truly amazed by the scope of your non-delusional logic.
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He has made the claim that he personally verified all the witness statements of the people who claim to have seen the two planes fly into the WTC on 9/11, and proved them to be false statements.
I have checked out as many as I happened to stumble across. Often they were executives of broadcasting companies. Sometimes they gave the impression that they were commenting on a video being played to them. Then there were one or two (I recall an alleged bus driver) whom I could find scarcely anything about and who apparently died the day after they gave testimony to what they saw. One might expect to find such people all over the Internet telling other people about their experience, but it is my impression that they are not.
911 is a big field and New York eye-witnesses was not my primary area of interest. I do know that there are many more that I did not investigate. One also has to consider the gain/effort ratio in doing such investigations. Dauntless, local New Yorkers that can walk about their own city and speak to anyone that might have pertinent knowledge about the alleged eye-witnesses, are in a far better position to conduct such investigations into the credibility and affiliations of such people.
I do regret that I lost the reference to text that started the myth of a plane flying into the first tower. I have spent quite a lot of time to find it again and failed. If I recall correctly, the 'witness' was on a tug and phoning to a broadcasting company. He said something vague, that was interpreted by the reporter as a plane flying into the building. It does is remarkable that many of them witnesses were vague in their assertions.
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He also claims that every news camera that filmed the second impact was faked by the government, this included the dozens of personal video cameras, including the one shot from street level of the first plane hitting the first tower.
I have never claimed that news camera's were faked by the government. However, since there were no planes, it is evident that all such recordings were faked. The people who presented such recordings therefore are persons of interest.
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He pointedly attacked a member of this forum that witnessed the crashes into the twin towers from an office window.
I faintly recall that there was indeed such a person. He refused to state that he had actually seen a plane fly into the building, or to provide specifics about it, if I recall correctly, as he did not want to lie. It is well known that witnesses may erroneously fabricate their own realities, filling in the blanks, as it were. It is an innate property of the mind that it fills in the blanks; ask any psychologist or brain physiologist.
I do not doubt that he believes that he saw a plane fly into the building, but it is not sufficient to believe in something or to interpret something as having been witnessed to be a reliable witness.
There were a few others on here who said that they knew one of the victims, but when I asked them to do a circumspect bit of information gathering about their backgrounds, they said they could not because they wanted their CM anonymity to not be broken.
The best CM witness is sirsholly who was very close to the location where one of the alleged planes allegedly flew into the ground. She smelled the kerosene. I consider her reliable.
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The fact that such a conspiracy would involve tens of thousands of individuals, who have out of some sense of loyalty to the government have not talked.
There may be all kinds of reasons why persons do not talk.
I am most interested in your list of tens of thousands of individuals.
Let's see:
About 250 people on the planes, and say two relatives for each one, makes 750.
Let's say one hundred eye-witnesses on each location, makes 300.
Let's say 25 persons to do the towers.
Another one hundred in strategic positions.
Yet another hundred for field work.
Crews for several planes, let's say 20.
Total 1295. Let's double it just to have a margin: 2600. We have to subtract the people who were already dead before the event, but I have no idea how many of the plane people were.
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When compared to a relatively small conspiracy such as Iran Contra, where just one person talked and did so in a bragging sort of way, which blew the entire project, he ignores the fact that someone would, driven by shear human nature, would have talked by now. He seems to feel that there is some reason why they have not talked, either by threat of death, or the threat of death to anyone they talk to.
It is fortunate that you have superior knowledge about human nature.
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His claim to be a super genius is laughable at worst, and questionable at best. Considering that those tests are given and people with unusually high iq's are sought out and given outstanding opportunities, it would have been noted and he would be well known, and his views would be public knowledge. Consider Fischer the chess champion.
I am a low IQ supergenius, as I have stated one or more times before. I have never claimed to have a high IQ.
I did have dinner once with someone who told me that he had a 172 IQ. "That is one point more than X", I said, impressed. He could not believe me when I told him my low minimum IQ.
Years later we fell out in a conflict. He told me "Even I, with my 153 IQ, cannot make sense of your reasoning".
He had forgotten that he earlier lied to me that he had a 172 IQ. Why did he lie to me? I surmise that he did so because he thought that my IQ was as high or even much higher and he desired to be seen by me as an intellectual equal.
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The person with the highest recorded IQ is Physicist / Engineer Kim Ung-yong with an IQ of 210. A list of the living people with the highest IQs can be found here.
Considering how well the political views of these individuals are well known, he is definitely not one of them.
A 210 IQ is very impressive. I admire fast thinkers. I am slow myself.
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He has also made the claim to have built a cold fusion reactor to generate electricity and has it in his back yard. This claim is in complete defiance of the laws of physics. No experiment in cold fusion has ever been duplicated, proving the theory a pipedream given the current technology. If he has made such a break through, why has he not tried to capitalize on it, he would become the wealthiest man on the planet. Greed is an overpowering drive in the human personality.
You are confused again. I have never made such a claim.
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