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United Kingdom Explained - 2/6/2011 7:32:11 AM   
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For many (like me) who don't understand all the complexities of the United Kingdom. Here it is in a simple, but very rapid fire explanation, so listen close. I'll even bet that some of you Brits don't know all this stuff.
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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/6/2011 9:13:18 AM   
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That was great and informative... thanks for the link

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/6/2011 9:18:23 AM   
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gosh thank you soooooooooooo much for sharing, thats awesome...most of the stuff I figured out over time here in the last seven years (as I am not a fan of history and kept it to the very basics at school) but its lovely to see that visually

Recently an insulting troll who visited my mailbox and made himself to an utter fool for claiming that I would have gotten a "free" degree in his country (doesn't even know that we pay student fees in his country ) felt insulted when I named him as being british....insisting that he is "english."

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/6/2011 12:44:26 PM   
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Good link ty.

I don't ever call myself British and its not unusual to find English people refusing to be called British. I call myself English, the Scots call themselves Scottish and the Welsh call themselves Welsh. If I called myself British then I could be Scottish or Welsh. If I call myself English it shows I am not Scottish or Welsh.

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/6/2011 1:12:01 PM   
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If people ask my nationality, I say I'm English, but if they ask where I'm from I say I'm from the UK. Don't know why....

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/6/2011 9:13:58 PM   
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Great link!

The summary ....







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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 1:44:20 AM   
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As is fitting for a monarchist from one of the Commonwealth Realms, I actually knew all of that, but seriously doubt if I could have explained it nearly so well and succinctly.

Great little vid.


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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 2:46:42 AM   
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My family name and bloodline comes from the Isle of Man.

Odd that they are famous for their tailless Manx cats, and woe is me, I had surgery on my tailbone at 20 and it is goners.  Spooky weird.

I'm fucking viking kitten! who'd a thunk?


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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 6:17:21 AM   
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Lumping us good Yorkshire folk together with all those inbreds in Lancashire, southern softies, Liverpool twockers and monkey hangars in the North East, the cheek of it!

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 1:24:24 PM   
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quote:

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My family name and bloodline comes from the Isle of Man.

Odd that they are famous for their tailless Manx cats, and woe is me, I had surgery on my tailbone at 20 and it is goners.  Spooky weird.

I'm fucking viking kitten! who'd a thunk?



U is a family name in the isle of man?  that wasn't in the video.

I thought it was Burmese, as in U Thant

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 3:50:23 PM   
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Ah yes,Yorkshire....for the benifit of our American cousins this is where most of the inbreds and retards are kept...think sort of extreme redneck country.They have this idea that they are God's chosen people,many of the rest of us think that's where He sent the rejects.

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 4:10:17 PM   
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well then i guess they're right for the wrong reason!

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 5:14:30 PM   
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I think the North sounds lovely. I fully intend to visit it after I've had my injections and got my passport renewed.

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 5:16:50 PM   
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quote:

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I'm fucking viking kitten! who'd a thunk?



*Chortle* Every Manxman I've ever met has gone on about his Viking ancestry.

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 6:38:41 PM   
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Methinks that video should be made a sticky for all those who just haven't got a clue who we are, has Pahunk seen it yet ?

Yeah, go North, it's like goin abroad when the US dollar is low, your pound goes further. I used to work darn sarth and commuted weekly from the North, but one thing I always made sure, I always tanked up my car in the North, as the South, why so expensive, that, I never understood ?

And regarding the Yorkist tykes, even their national anthem includes a reference to sheep in it ;

The Yorkist anthem








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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 6:51:26 PM   
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quote:

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Methinks that video should be made a sticky for all those who just haven't got a clue who we are, has Pahunk seen it yet ?

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The Yorkist anthem



Chuckle - *I* was struggling to understand those singing sheep. I don't suppose non-Brits would be able to follow the song.

My congrats to the OP for finding such a neat little explanation of all the national terms.

But . . . I do remember Fry on QI saying that the distinction between 'England' and 'Great Britain' is a comparatively new thing. It *is* accurate, but until the early 20th Century it was quite common for English people especially to use 'England' and 'Great Britain' as though they were interchangeable. Nationalistic sensibilities grew fast in Wales and Scotland over the twentieth century, so the change of attitude was inevitable.



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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 8:04:29 PM   
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Yes, I agree with that, as even in my youth, the two terms were interchangeable, I never identified as English, British being the without question accepted term. But, as I got older, the nationalistic tendancies of the Welsh and the Scots assaulted my ideas and there my change of identity to English. Although I am not particularly enamoured with the description based upon what the colonial English did to others in other countries, which even to this day the echoes are still  being heard. In such situations where I detect murmurs of English bastards and what they did to us kind of insinuations, I firstly let the murmurs know there are English and English, the minority do not represent the majority and as to the subject of conquest, know something, before any country conquers another country, it must first conquer it's own country, it has always been us and them, and we, meaning myself, are not them, for I dislike them too.

But, on the subject of conquests and subjugation of neighbouring countries, would the wingers now be winging if it was their country in the past that were militarily stronger and it was they who had conquered England, I suspect not, so anything other, is just sour grapes because their past did not do what was done to them because they could not work together, the celtic thing they all claim to be, no clan trusted another clan. Perhaps it was the effect of Romanisation on Lower Britain, where England is now, Gaul and Germania to include Saxonia that created a different mind set that conquered the age old celtic foible that allowed the Celt to fall to the Roman in the first place.


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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 9:01:32 PM   
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Yes, I agree with that, as even in my youth, the two terms were interchangeable, I never identified as English, British being the without question accepted term. But, as I got older, the nationalistic tendancies of the Welsh and the Scots assaulted my ideas and there my change of identity to English.


Yep, it's all quite tortuous. I've heard of English people going up to the NE of Scotland, particularly, and getting a definite anti-English vibe. Then they start to distinguish between 'English' and 'British'. And Scottish history, particularly, is littered with horrific stories of Scots brutalising Scots.

It seems really baffling, on the face of it, why Scottish, Irish and Welsh nationalism should be *broadly* (note the qualifier) progressive and English nationalism, to the same extent, reactionary. But that's due to the different histories, of course.

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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 9:40:49 PM   
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Well, we, the English in our attempts at nationalism have been shafted by our own nationalists by them adopting the English flag as their own symbol of their extremist anti foreigner policies. The result is unless one is a football supporter or a racist, one would not dream of displaying the flag of St George, who was a foreigner anyway, and in reality, toss all to do with England.

An example perhaps, I used to live in Oxford, and there in the centre of Oxford is the famous covered market, where one day the council demanded all the bunting out, flags and everything celebrating the french on France's big day, but come St Georges day, the council absolutely banned the display of English flags, bunting and English pride, because they said, they did not want to offend foreigners. So at least as far as local government is concerned, to be English, is to be racist. Those who have a pride and of the more quieter people have learned to fear English nationalism, one must not show their pride in their country.

I suspect as a result of this dumbing down of the English pride, various areas which were traditionally nationalistic have created their own flags for their own county and perhaps treat that county, as a country within a country.

List of county flags, some ancient and some modern, but flags that are making an appearance more now than before


Note, the Yokshire flag, they copied the idea of the Lancastrians


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RE: United Kingdom Explained - 2/7/2011 10:02:31 PM   
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i have read in a documentary thatthe queen still refers to the US as "the colonies" when she came to visit.

funny he forgot to mention that


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