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I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/9/2011 11:13:48 AM   
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http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/nyse-euronext-and-deutsche-borse-in-merger-talks/?ref=business...

NYSE Euronext and Deutsche Börse in Merger Talks By DEALBOOK NYSE Euronext said on Wednesday it was in advanced talks with Deutsche Börse over a possible merger. In a statement, the companies said they would most likely combine their businesses in all-stock deal — after which Deutsche Börse shareholders would own roughly 60 percent of the newly combined entity and NYSE Euronext investors would own the rest
Are you of the view that that the world is flat, and it does not matter who owns the empire state building, or can bid on the American flag?    Is this okay, because it's the Germans taking majority ownership?   
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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/9/2011 11:49:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sorta ok with it, I remember the Japanese bought Rockefeller center some years back for an outrageous price when they were the economic bad boys, and  ended up selling it back to us at a bargain basement price. 

It is a worldwide economy, and we have to live in the world.

I remember some years ago Bush contracted out our wharves to the Chinese, which I thought was a terrible move, but they haven't starved us out yet.

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/9/2011 12:40:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've got a love hate relationship with it.......similarly with democracy.

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/9/2011 1:37:18 PM   
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It is a worldwide economy, and we have to live in the world.

I remember some years ago Bush contracted out our wharves to the Chinese, which I thought was a terrible move, but they haven't starved us out yet.
I thought it a terrible move too.

So we will deal with, and trust the highest bidder?   Has the theft of US intellectual property ever been resolved, or it's okay as long as their building/crafting for us remains profitable?   

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I've got a love hate relationship with it.......similarly with democracy.
I think I agree.   Technically, a free market economy is supposed to dismantle classes/castes, when a successful player not from the elite class can compete.   M

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/9/2011 1:39:04 PM   
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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 3:05:08 PM   
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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 3:37:29 PM   
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It is a worldwide economy, and we have to live in the world.

I remember some years ago Bush contracted out our wharves to the Chinese, which I thought was a terrible move, but they haven't starved us out yet.
I thought it a terrible move too.




You mean you thought that Bush contracting wharves to the Chinese was a terrible move?
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IT NEVER HAPPENED.

You are as confused about the Ports controversy as you appear to be about capitalism.

The ports were ALREADY contracted out by the PORT OWNERS (not by Bush or any other Federal administration) to a BRITISH company, P&O. DUBAI PORTS WORLD (HINT: Dubai isnt in China) proposed to merge with P&O. With racism against Arabs at its peak, a bunch of nonsense was promulgated by the media about it impacting our port security...despite the fact that foreign companies were operating ports (including Chinese companies) at least as far back as 1985, and that none of them, nor anything contracted to P&O, had the least bit to do with port security, which has always been handled by the Coast Guard and Customs dept.



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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 4:50:49 PM   
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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 4:55:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Except wilbur you are wrong as usual. He did. I guess you don't get that sort of information at faux imbicilic entertainment nuze.

It was all over the AP, and real TV, and radio,  and there was quite a bit of bruhaha about it (including some hearings and why it was no bid and some other stuff) and yes he contracted security too.  To Chinese concerns and concerns in Dubai. 


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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 5:06:33 PM   
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There isn't much to love about capitalism, the ignorant seem to equate it with democracy for some strange reason.


For some strange reason? What is the cornerstone of democracy? Of the US?

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 5:18:18 PM   
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There isn't much to love about capitalism, the ignorant seem to equate it with democracy for some strange reason.


For some strange reason? What is the cornerstone of democracy? Of the US?


The cornerstone of democracy is capitalism?

Care to expand on that Willbeur?

I doubt it since you seem to just make these comments and never have anything to support them.

But since Willbeur is such a coward that he has me blocked because he can't seem to withstand someone questioning his judgment, I would appreciate if someone quotes this to at least give him the opportunity to respond. 

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 5:20:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

There isn't much to love about capitalism, the ignorant seem to equate it with democracy for some strange reason.


For some strange reason? What is the cornerstone of democracy? Of the US?


The cornerstone of democracy is capitalism?

Care to expand on that Willbeur?

I doubt it since you seem to just make these comments and never have anything to support them.

But since Willbeur is such a coward that he has me blocked because he can't seem to withstand someone questioning his judgment, I would appreciate if someone quotes this to at least give him the opportunity to respond. 



There ya go, rule.

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 5:22:44 PM   
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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 5:27:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

There isn't much to love about capitalism, the ignorant seem to equate it with democracy for some strange reason.


For some strange reason? What is the cornerstone of democracy? Of the US?


The cornerstone of democracy is capitalism?

Care to expand on that Willbeur?

I doubt it since you seem to just make these comments and never have anything to support them.

But since Willbeur is such a coward that he has me blocked because he can't seem to withstand someone questioning his judgment, I would appreciate if someone quotes this to at least give him the opportunity to respond. 



There ya go, rule.


I dont suffer fools by proxy either. Dont waste your time, TG, just as I dont waste my time with that idiot. His not understanding the difference between a question and statement is the least of his problems.

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 5:37:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		When it's evil we call it socialism, when it's good we call it capitalism. When we are referring to china we don't know what to call it.

The economic model and the form of government are nowadays unrelated. This is because the global economy is too large for any individual government to control. Therefore exporting more to China isn't going to change your voting rights at home and China exporting more to the USA isn't going to improve the lives of many in China. It's an outdated idea that democracy is a function of capitalism. If there wasn't such a large pay gap between the rich and the poor we could say that capitalism works. I know some people make it to the top building up their wealth from nothing but this is the exception to the rule. There are far more that were born into wealth and will just pass that wealth on, they'll have access to a better education based on their wealth and so more advantages from an earlier age. We are all born equal, some are born more equal than others.

For the majority their dream will be just to provide a better life for their children than they had. What does that tell you? It doesn't tell you that people can make it to the top from nothing often.


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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 5:44:45 PM   
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I dont suffer fools by proxy either. Dont waste your time, TG, just as I dont waste my time with that idiot. His not understanding the difference between a question and statement is the least of his problems.


Whether you want to view your ridiculous remark as a question or a statement doesn't negate the need for its explanation.

But of course you will not see this as you are still cowering in your corner to avoid those explanations.

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 5:51:44 PM   
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When it's evil we call it socialism, when it's good we call it capitalism. When we are referring to china we don't know what to call it.

The economic model and the form of government are nowadays unrelated. This is because the global economy is too large for any individual government to control. Therefore exporting more to China isn't going to change your voting rights at home and China exporting more to the USA isn't going to improve the lives of many in China. It's an outdated idea that democracy is a function of capitalism. If there wasn't such a large pay gap between the rich and the poor we could say that capitalism works. I know some people make it to the top building up their wealth from nothing but this is the exception to the rule. There are far more that were born into wealth and will just pass that wealth on, they'll have access to a better education based on their wealth and so more advantages from an earlier age. We are all born equal, some are born more equal than others.

For the majority their dream will be just to provide a better life for their children than they had. What does that tell you? It doesn't tell you that people can make it to the top from nothing often.



1. No, you have it backwards. When its socialism we call it "evil", when its capitalism we call it "good".
2. Economic models and government are unrelated? Where? Everywhere? the US?
3. Democracy cannot exist in a society that isnt largely capitalist, its not an outdated idea, it is intrinsic to what democracy is all about.
4. The pay gap doesnt have the slightest bearing on whether "capitalism works". In our (almost) capitalist system there is a large pay gap, but the poorest of us are far better off than the poor and even the supposed middle class of many socialist countries. Capitalism works far better than any other system, and to deny that is to ignore the 230 year history of the greatest economy the world has ever known.
5. If building up wealth form nothing is the exception and passing wealth on is the rule, why is that the list of richest people in the world is so different now than 50, 30, 20, or even 10 years ago?
6. We are born with equal opportunity, thats all that is promised.
7. So the "top" is the only worthwhile goal? What is the "top"? 1%? 5%? Upper 25% isnt good enough?
8. the only guarantee is that if the Democratic parties vision of the US comes to pass far fewer of our children will have better lives than us than could have.

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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 6:21:14 PM   
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i. Backwards or forwards, reads the same.
ii. Most places
iii. Democracy is about having rights, you can focus on the accumulation of material wealth as being one of those rights but there are others unrelated to that therefore democracy can exist outside of capitalism.
iv. Rich and poor is measured in different ways in different societies. I don't think what you are saying is true. Perhaps they don't have material wealth but get access to essential services provided by society.
v. There are some new names and faces, there are also a lot of old ones. Mostly that is due to internet and other technological development. It wasn't occurring before the e-economy and capitalism is not anything new. So ignore the internet related rich list and ask where all the new faces were coming from before that?
vi. It isn't an equal opportunity though is it? Unless you are of the opinion early education and parents having more time to devote to you counts for nothing.
vii. I didn't make the top the goal, it's the usual argument made about capitalism, this idea that anyone can make it to the top.
viii. I don't know what legislation in particular you are referring to so can't comment.


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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/10/2011 7:24:52 PM   
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RE: I don't always love capitalism. What say you? - 2/11/2011 12:48:45 AM   
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i. Backwards or forwards, reads the same. no, it doesnt. critiical reading skills apparently arent your strength
ii. Most places name a few

iii. Democracy is about having rights, you can focus on the accumulation of material wealth as being one of those rights but there are others unrelated to that therefore democracy can exist outside of capitalism. wrong. Democracy is about FREEDOM and there is no freedom without economic freedom

iv. Rich and poor is measured in different ways in different societies. I don't think what you are saying is true. Perhaps they don't have material wealth but get access to essential services provided by society.
v. There are some new names and faces, there are also a lot of old ones. very few, and it doesnt take many to disprove your false claims
Mostly that is due to internet and other technological development. It wasn't occurring before the e-economy it has always occurred, technology just happens to be the latest
and capitalism is not anything new. So ignore the internet related rich list and ask where all the new faces were coming from before that? name an innovation and it happened, electricity, railroads, automobiles, plastics, computers....the list has constantly changed

vi. It isn't an equal opportunity though is it? Unless you are of the opinion early education and parents having more time to devote to you counts for nothing. you are mixing up opportunity with the ability to taking advantage of that opportunity. There are plenty of examples of children of working poor who have excelled,many of them in the current administration and its appointees/nominees

vii. I didn't make the top the goal, it's the usual argument made about capitalism, this idea that anyone can make it to the top. anyone can

viii. I don't know what legislation in particular you are referring to so can't comment. im talking agenda, not legislation, although they may overlap





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