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TheShrew -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/13/2011 9:38:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll
.. "yur new, on ur Neez bithc I iz uR domin8" ...


No matter how times I see this, it never gets old. It cracks me up, every single time.




Arpig -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/13/2011 10:05:07 PM)

No, I don't mind approaching somebody...being turned down is nothing new to me. I really am flattered and enjoy it the few times I am approached. Its nice to know somebody has an interest, however fleeting.




sirssubk2008 -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/13/2011 11:10:45 PM)

Finally tried to check out your youtube link....

"wa has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of our Community Guidelines. "

Posting a link that has been terminated is a severe violation of subk's guidlines!!

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Just thought you'd like to know....[:D]




Awareness -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/19/2011 3:29:19 AM)

  I start conversations.  Sometimes they go well, sometimes they end badly.  It's irrelevant - my ego is simply not involved.  I might be curious, but I tend to be screening pretty hard when I speak to a woman.  The idea that women are the only ones who have to screen is ludicrous.  Many women have issues which make inadvisable, any kind of interaction beyond a cursory involvement.

In general, I look for women who fire back without getting bent out of shape.  I'm not easy to interest and I simply don't bother with women who are insipid or have issues about men.  If a woman deletes my emails or blocks me, then she's not sharp enough and together enough for me to bother with.  No loss whatsoever.

Ultimately though, we're the Doms, we're the predators, we're the initiators.  We take action because we have a drive to do.  However my first email will tend to be challenging.  I'm simply not the type to send an obsequious email begging for a woman's attention.

In short, initiate, but don't attach any significance if you get a response.  My advice is to be difficult but if a woman breaks off contact, then ignore her.  We've all got better things to be doing.




Arpig -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/19/2011 6:09:50 AM)

Yeah, I was told that recently. It wasn't something I posted, just a link to a song I liked.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/19/2011 8:14:44 AM)

I have no idea how I have missed seeing this before, but I am glad I have. Coming in from the porch after some Saturday morning sun and herbal therapy, it gave me severe snorting, belly shaking laughs that were so needed!

You aint quite right in da head....I like that!

[:D]


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The stupid chicken dance in a nutshell:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_100186/mpage_1/key_stupid%252Cchicken%252Cdance/tm.htm#100186





FairDom6 -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/19/2011 8:01:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll
The girls here are inundated with mail and spend more time wading through the chest thumping imbeciles than looking for a good match. It's the whole "yur new, on ur Neez bithc I iz uR domin8" crap they have to contend with and get a bit confused on the protocol.


I love this view, it is so true. There are so many people just getting swarms of crazy messages. It is no better from the other side at times, trying to find your way through the scam profiles and people just wanting you to send them money can be tricky too. In the end, patience is key for all.




IronBear -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/19/2011 8:30:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FairDom6

quote:

ORIGINAL: FukinTroll
The girls here are inundated with mail and spend more time wading through the chest thumping imbeciles than looking for a good match. It's the whole "yur new, on ur Neez bithc I iz uR domin8" crap they have to contend with and get a bit confused on the protocol.


I love this view, it is so true. There are so many people just getting swarms of crazy messages. It is no better from the other side at times, trying to find your way through the scam profiles and people just wanting you to send them money can be tricky too. In the end, patience is key for all.



Come back in lets say 5 or 6 years and see if you have the same opinion or if CM has knocked some sense into your noggin......


Cynicism is a byproduct of too many years in CM..........




expt -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/21/2011 3:32:56 PM)

This has been my whole problem with CM as opposed to in-person meetings: namely the ratio of men to women here is staggering. I once (rather lately) counted 75 "Dom" guys online here on CM for every 1 "Sub/Slave" female in my area. Now lets do some numbers. 75 to 1 is not good odds, unless you are essentially, The Rock or some other supermodel, Dominant or who is male and all muscles and brains. even the hot guys have trouble with those odds...even when going clubbing, the odds are more like 2 to 1, or even 1 to 1, in terms of male/female, and other places, actually have more women than men. Even worse that this is the fact that every woman who gets bombed on CM with msgs, ALSO knows every guy must be sending out quite a few at a time.
I think I'd get more results, honestly, if I blasted my resume to a few hundred employers, than what I can get in most online dating sites. Now this is not true of everyone here--and I'm sure much older men have better results, because often there aren't as many older men around. But this site has been more educational than anything else for me personally.




Palliata -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/21/2011 3:48:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: expt

This has been my whole problem with CM as opposed to in-person meetings: namely the ratio of men to women here is staggering. I once (rather lately) counted 75 "Dom" guys online here on CM for every 1 "Sub/Slave" female in my area. Now lets do some numbers. 75 to 1 is not good odds, unless you are essentially, The Rock or some other supermodel, Dominant or who is male and all muscles and brains. even the hot guys have trouble with those odds...even when going clubbing, the odds are more like 2 to 1, or even 1 to 1, in terms of male/female, and other places, actually have more women than men. Even worse that this is the fact that every woman who gets bombed on CM with msgs, ALSO knows every guy must be sending out quite a few at a time.
I think I'd get more results, honestly, if I blasted my resume to a few hundred employers, than what I can get in most online dating sites. Now this is not true of everyone here--and I'm sure much older men have better results, because often there aren't as many older men around. But this site has been more educational than anything else for me personally.


I kind of figured the ratio was terrible, but 75:1 is absurd. Honestly I never really intended to use this site for dating, it's mostly just because I heard these forums were interesting, so it doesn't break my heart, but it does begin to explain why the only messages I've gotten here have been platonic. At the end of the day being 1 of 75 is not in my happy place, so that tends to reinforce my unwillingness to send the initial message.




porcelaine -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/21/2011 4:51:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Palliata

I kind of figured the ratio was terrible, but 75:1 is absurd. Honestly I never really intended to use this site for dating, it's mostly just because I heard these forums were interesting, so it doesn't break my heart, but it does begin to explain why the only messages I've gotten here have been platonic. At the end of the day being 1 of 75 is not in my happy place, so that tends to reinforce my unwillingness to send the initial message.


I'm curious if you believe that emphasizing your stance will improve the situation or possibly hinder it? Do you feel that you've presented yourself in a manner where initiation is not a requirement? And have you crafted other streams that an interested party can follow that will lead to you? I'm not suggesting your approach is inappropriate, but wondering if the results are such due to the omission of other feeders so to speak.

Namaste,

~porcelaine




Palliata -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/21/2011 5:35:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: Palliata

I kind of figured the ratio was terrible, but 75:1 is absurd. Honestly I never really intended to use this site for dating, it's mostly just because I heard these forums were interesting, so it doesn't break my heart, but it does begin to explain why the only messages I've gotten here have been platonic. At the end of the day being 1 of 75 is not in my happy place, so that tends to reinforce my unwillingness to send the initial message.


I'm curious if you believe that emphasizing your stance will improve the situation or possibly hinder it? Do you feel that you've presented yourself in a manner where initiation is not a requirement? And have you crafted other streams that an interested party can follow that will lead to you? I'm not suggesting your approach is inappropriate, but wondering if the results are such due to the omission of other feeders so to speak.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



I'm not really sure what you mean. Can you clarify?




porcelaine -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/21/2011 8:04:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Palliata

I'm not really sure what you mean. Can you clarify?


Not a problem. [;)]

I'm curious if you believe that emphasizing your stance will improve the situation or possibly hinder it?

What I'm asking here is if you've considered the side effects of making your stance well known. Of course it may generate a little pop for curiosity's sake. But there could be a negative to that declaration unless other elements are in place to remedy it's impact.

Do you feel that you've presented yourself in a manner where initiation is not a requirement?

Let me begin by saying I'm not referencing presence. I think some people are blessed with the ability to stand out no matter where they are. What I am addressing is how you come across and your method of communication in your profile. Is your articulation and aura of the caliber that could sincerely stand on its own merit without lifting a finger? You'd need a definite degree of magnetism in my mind to make it work.

And have you crafted other streams that an interested party can follow that will lead to you?

You indicated that you participate on the message board here, but is this your lone footprint? Or have you presented yourself in other venues (ideally with the same moniker) or run a website, blog, etc?

Why do I ask?

I've been at this for a long time and I don't encounter many people that can successfully pull off what you're suggesting without some key things in place. I will candidly admit that I do not initiate contact with men as an expression of interest and have only done so on three occasions. I am still in communication with two of the three and don't expect that will change. My countenance and presence have allowed me to be myself without over exertion and unnecessary prostration towards would be suitors. Most interested parties find me through something I've written through various channels. My words reach a greater audience than a lone note ever could. And I don't have the time or inclination to sift through a gamut of profiles. However, I don't have the statistics noted or find myself inundated with the caliber of messages many complain of. There's a reason for that.

I pose this question because from a logistical perspective it would appear your method isn't working. I'm rather results oriented and if you are going to implement that stance it should be paying dividends. While I realize you note that you aren't truly looking, I'm addressing the subject of the thread instead. In the cesspool we call BDSM you'd have to be quite the standout to avoid exercising any effort. Of course exceptions exist, but in my experience they're rare occurrences. In the nutshell I'm suggesting that you analyze the product, make sure you're marketing it to its fullest capacity, and omit any strategies that aren't yielding the results you seek. As always, you're free to deposit my advice where you deem it should reside. Best of luck. :)

Namaste,

~porcelaine




Arturas -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/21/2011 9:43:27 PM)

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This has been my whole problem with CM as opposed to in-person meetings: namely the ratio of men to women here is staggering. I once (rather lately) counted 75 "Dom" guys online here on CM for every 1 "Sub/Slave" female in my area. Now lets do some numbers.


That stat is likely right but should be ignored. I say that because 95 percent of each statistical set of 75 Doms online are just not up to this and the five percent left bring to the table what submissives look for. So this actually means there are more submissives than real Doms here. This means if you are a Dom and express yourself well, write honestly about yourself and your goals, honestly ask them about themselves while steering clear of sexual/BDSM topics till you know she is ready then you can ignore the competition because they don't really exist! They don't exist since the best they know to do or can do while writing her is a one liner and/or a tacky picture.

Back to the Opening Post, I always did "the approaching" as I did in any offline contact. That way I am in control of whom I contact, they are the one approached and can then assess me for the man I am and that is the tried and true formula women and men have followed for zillions of years and more zillions of contacts; why change what is natural and works?




tazzygirl -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/21/2011 11:14:08 PM)

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That way I am in control of whom I contact, they are the one approached and can then assess me for the man I am and that is the tried and true formula women and men have followed for zillions of years and more zillions of contacts; why change what is natural and works?


Im amazed you havent taken into consideration the amount of time, effort, money and forethought a woman puts into the equation before she even steps out the door in hopes you "will approach". From my experience, men approach the approachable... the approachable factor is left to us.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/22/2011 2:40:28 AM)

I approach a woman by going upto her.  I extend my hand out, for a handshake.  If she accepts it, I firmly shake her hand...then I do a series of convoluted "secret handshakes" ending in a twirl and a dip.

Then comes the fun part...out-running the boyfriend.




porcelaine -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/22/2011 5:25:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

So this actually means there are more submissives than real Doms here.


That's a little far reaching. Misrepresentation and its offshoots is alive and kicking on both ends. There's no monopoly.

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This means if you are a Dom and express yourself well, write honestly about yourself and your goals, honestly ask them about themselves while steering clear of sexual/BDSM topics till you know she is ready then you can ignore the competition because they don't really exist!


I think you're oversimplifying this. Your first mistake is the assumption that every woman finds sexual discussion off putting. That isn't true. It often boils down to how you present it. And good expression means zilch if she's not into you. There's always that factor to consider.

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They don't exist since the best they know to do or can do while writing her is a one liner and/or a tacky picture.


And you readily assume that she's been horribly courted by buffoons. I assure you, I'm not bombarded by poorly contrived one liners and the requisite bad film. Where you err in your line of thought is the distillation of what competition entails. You assume it's your kin, but she doesn't desire them, she's looking for a specific flavor within that variety.

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I always did "the approaching" as I did in any offline contact. That way I am in control of whom I contact, they are the one approached and can then assess me for the man I am


Are you suggesting that you don't allow women to approach you? Because the control noted would lend the idea that you've eliminated that possibility. Also, as tazzy has wonderfully illustrated, that idea only goes so far. In the end I determine the company I will keep and the supposed assessment you're eluding to isn't always a part of it. I invest no energy unwrapping a product I'm not interested in exploring. And if she's really assessing you, it should extend beyond a conversation or two.

Namaste,

~porcelaine




Arturas -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/22/2011 9:01:56 AM)

ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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That's a little far reaching. Misrepresentation and its offshoots is alive and kicking on both ends. There's no monopoly.

I don't think that is a stretch at all. Just pull up a picture grid of the "Doms looking for submissives" and glance at it.

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And you readily assume that she's been horribly courted by buffoons. I assure you, I'm not bombarded by poorly contrived one liners and the requisite bad film. Where you err in your line of thought is the distillation of what competition entails. You assume it's your kin, but she doesn't desire them, she's looking for a specific flavor within that variety.

Same answer.

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In the end I determine the company

As women have for zillions of years.


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Are you suggesting that you don't allow women to approach you?

Try it and see, if you dare.






LaTigresse -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/22/2011 9:16:32 AM)

I purely do not understand the big dilemma. Person A. (M/D/s..whatever) sees person B. (M/D/s whatever) has something that piques their interest. Person A. strikes up a conversation with person B.

How terribly complex does this have to be???




vegetablelamb -> RE: Approaching vs Being Approached (3/22/2011 9:28:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas

That stat is likely right but should be ignored. I say that because 95 percent of each statistical set of 75 Doms online are just not up to this and the five percent left bring to the table what submissives look for. So this actually means there are more submissives than real Doms here. This means if you are a Dom and express yourself well, write honestly about yourself and your goals, honestly ask them about themselves while steering clear of sexual/BDSM topics till you know she is ready then you can ignore the competition because they don't really exist! They don't exist since the best they know to do or can do while writing her is a one liner and/or a tacky picture.


I'm not going to get into statistical likelihood, but as far as personal experience goes (for whatever it's worth), I rarely make initial contact with dominants on CM. For the most part it's because there's a sea of c-mail and profiles that it's unusual to find me browsing, but also because I find that if I strike their fancy then they'll initiate contact. This is not true when I find a genuine interest in someone, particularly because the interest stems from something more than "Baby, I'll dominate you so good you'll forget your social security number" and more from the way they've presented themselves as a person on their profile and on the message boards. If I'm genuinely interested by something of theirs, then I kind of consider them a step up from the other dominants and would like to get to know them in most cases. Of course, the only problem for me that stems from that is trying to begin an interaction with some response that is smooth, suave, and dare I say quirky enough to, in my eyes, justify a response and general conversation. [:)]

Overall, I tend to stick with the idea that there are a ton of people out there, and it's both parties' jobs to wade through and come across each other for the benefit of both. Both should put themselves out there sometimes because while you shouldn't always have to do all of the work, you shouldn't always lie back, relax, and hope good things come to you. I would hope if someone has a genuine interest in someone else, they'd be more interested in getting to the interaction rather than who makes the first move. You want to do it, then do it, amirite?




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