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Termyn8or -> Watson followup. (2/15/2011 5:13:44 PM)

Watson, the IBM computer just kicked ass on Jeopardy.

What I don't get is the miniscule final wager, when ahead by around $20,000 already. Is the thng playing head games ? Logically when you are that far ahead of the second place conestant, the wager should be to assure the win even if you miss the question and they asnwer correctly. Subtract double their score from your's and wager one dollar less.

Can any non silicon based life forms explain this ? Boob jobs don't count.

T^T




MasterG2kTR -> RE: Watson followup. (2/15/2011 6:15:46 PM)

Did you miss the fact that Watson's final answer was wrong? Hence the miniscule wager was the proper bet!




Termyn8or -> RE: Watson followup. (2/16/2011 12:24:07 AM)

That kinda surprised me. U.S. cities seems to be something that would fit nicely into a database. Depends I guess on how they "taught" the thing.

So maybe it "knew" the subject wasn't one of it's strong suits ?

T^T




DesFIP -> RE: Watson followup. (2/16/2011 8:36:58 AM)

His/Its double jeopardy bet was equally weird. $635 or something. I'm hoping they'll explain how it came to determine the amount to bet. And I also want to know what they're going to do with the money if it wins. I'm guessing college scholarships for computer engineering/programming etc.




came4U -> RE: Watson followup. (2/16/2011 6:41:15 PM)

I'm glad the experiment is over.  I found Watson too distracting onscreen with all of it's loopy design and answer popups (even on when other contestants were buzzed in).  Watson is a pain in my ass!! I don't care if he won, it was easy for 'it' it reads the answer and has Google-like access to answer. I am still only impressed by smart HUMANS.  




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Watson followup. (2/16/2011 10:27:19 PM)

That was awesome.  It reminded me of "HAL" from 2001: Space Odyssey. 

Uh oh...




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Watson followup. (2/16/2011 10:45:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

His/Its double jeopardy bet was equally weird. $635 or something. I'm hoping they'll explain how it came to determine the amount to bet.


The computer is programmed to determine the amount of the bet (in part) on the degree of confidence it feels in the accuracy of its answer.


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
And I also want to know what they're going to do with the money if it wins. I'm guessing college scholarships for computer engineering/programming etc.


They probably have quite an electric bill to keep on top of.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Watson followup. (2/16/2011 10:50:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

I'm glad the experiment is over.  I found Watson too distracting onscreen with all of it's loopy design and answer popups (even on when other contestants were buzzed in).  Watson is a pain in my ass!! I don't care if he won, it was easy for 'it' it reads the answer and has Google-like access to answer. I am still only impressed by smart HUMANS.  


I don't think it was very easy at all. It still needed to recognize the answer from the millions of possible answers in its database. It needed to understand English, parse out the question, and determine what the most likely answer was from an almost infinite number of permutations.And no, it doesn't have Google-like access to any information. It had no internet access - it could only use the info that it already had on board. This was a pretty impressive achievement, any way you slice it.




Termyn8or -> RE: Watson followup. (2/17/2011 12:50:57 AM)

FR

The last question was US cities. This should be easy for a google like database. Yet the wager was $948 IIRC.

The actual "answer is" was a city that had it's largest airport named for a war hero and something named for a battle or battle field, something like that. I think the clue said "major" US city. The answer was Chicago. Well "What is Chicago".

Major US city - pop over one million
War hero - easy to correlate
Second part of clue, after vetting the possible responses which conform to part one.

First of all, the category itself shouldn't have shaken the poor thing. This is pretty much what databases are for. Therefore it should wagered the maximum possible amount while assuring the win.

The fact that Watson actually missed the question is, therefore, a bit befuddling to me. It's a perfect question for a computer. Hard fact, very little misinterpretation likely.

It's possible that the engineers, while building the thing, had the language database in place. Without the knowledge database though, there would be not much to say of course. Perhaps the were trying to make inroads into true artificial intelligence, by teaching Watson verbally, the way humans learn quite a bit of their knowledge, except for some people here who need a video and three affidavits to prove how many pieces of toilet paper I used to wipe my ass the last time I took a dump.

That would explain such a deficiency I think, because if it were a matter of a USB port, the data would be there.

Now the final wager is interesting. When you're in a poker game for example, you never bet your pocket. In fact you don't even bet your hand. You got three choices, no bet, the "normal" bet and the maximum bet. You don't bet $26.29 based on what is in your hand because it is telling to the other players if they know what they're doing. That dynamic does not exist here. If the Jeopardy players could see the others' wagers, that would be different.

So the only dynamics are the amount of money and the odds of success. The second place contender had about five grand, and Watson had about twenty. It could've easily wagered ten grand and be assured of the win. Not as puzzling was it's wager on a daily double. I think it was $1,248. I can see how a computer could take all the answers given by the opponents, all the money left on the board and mathematically figure out that amount. This would be beyond many humans' capabilities of course. Yes it could be done by many, scan the board, see which categories have how much money left and come up with a best/worst case wager. I can see that and someone possibly coming up with $1,200 or something like that. But $1,248 ?

However the wager of $948 in final jeopardy throws me off here. Why not $1,000 ? Does $12 matter that much ? Or, is it even fathomable that the engineers had a pool going to see how much their new "buddy" would win ? Then one of them gets in there and writes a bit of code. Guaranteed of a victory almost, a huge one, Watson could've been programmed to actually win more than the target amount, and then purposely lose the correct amount in the final round to make the exact figure become the result. That would be one hell of an office pool, especially with such "cheating" allowed. If I were managing that department, I would've allowed it, and in the end made sure that everyone knew that we operate as a team.

Nobody is in business to lose money. Maybe it was part of the sales pitch. I could be wrong, but I think that even if they gave the open source code for all the programming in Watson it would take a team of software engineers years to figure it out. By then they'll have sold these things to schools everywhere, or something. They didn't build it to keep it.

Just some thoughts. Trade ya.

T^T




came4U -> RE: Watson followup. (2/17/2011 9:39:26 AM)

Alex Trebek said on Regis and Kelly Wed morn that the IBM guys are claiming Watson meant some American city of Toronto that has 2 lil airports. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBD65zNG1zE




came4U -> RE: Watson followup. (2/17/2011 10:57:26 AM)

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I don't think it was very easy at all. It still needed to recognize the answer from the millions of possible answers in its database. It needed to understand English, parse out the question, and determine what the most likely answer was from an almost infinite number of permutations.And no, it doesn't have Google-like access to any information. It had no internet access - it could only use the info that it already had on board. This was a pretty impressive achievement, any way you slice it


I meant within' it's system it would have "google-like" access. 

I didn't find it impressive. It was obvious that it was an algorithm program written to pick up on keywords within it's system.  Likely each topic (authors, books, location, person etc) would be outlined in point form and seeing from Watson's responses in percentage-the answer that received as many 'hits' from the list as possible was 'it's' chosen response.

It would be like putting a bunch of nerds with no study of English Literature experiences in a room for a few weeks with only the Cliffs Notes versions and within no time they could answer the most 'better than basic' questions.

Nothing beats memory and human experience though, IMO, as we can see from the wrong answers that having no soul ruins the game.  After the first day's distraction and learning how to ignore that by the second show, I still beat Watfuck hands down! 

I can't negotiate with a 'thing' that has no pee-pee.  I refuse.




Outlier2 -> RE: Watson followup. (2/17/2011 12:06:20 PM)

FR,

There was a radio show that interviewed one of the people from IBM
who worked on it and some others including a brief conversation
with one of the other players.  Also an author who wrote a book about it.

Lots of good solid information about how it works.  You can
listen to the show here: http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/02/16/watson-artificial-intelligence





DesFIP -> RE: Watson followup. (2/17/2011 1:02:33 PM)

I read an article with Ken Jennings that said he was pleased to discover Watson was designed to emulate him. Apparently, after Big Blue won the chess match the IBM Think tankers were trying to decide what to focus on next, the entire restaurant except for their table all got up and went to the bar. They wondered what was happening, went to the bar and saw Jennings winning at Jeopardy and decided that should be their next challenge.

I fuzzed out though, knew the book referred to was Dracula but couldn't remember Bram Stoker for love or money.




came4U -> RE: Watson followup. (2/18/2011 1:06:44 AM)

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I fuzzed out though, knew the book referred to was Dracula but couldn't remember Bram Stoker for love or money.


Same here. 

I knew the answer had a deep Eastern European connection but I had a serious brain fart.  I can't even blame Watson for that either, because by then I was used to it's hypnotic screensaver-like swirlies.




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