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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:00:07 AM

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At what age do we start pitting one kid versus the other based on "so called" ability

At what age do you realize the kid in the shiny nice house gets advantages and gold stars just because he lives in the shiny nice house?

At what age do you realize that the people making the teams only want teamates that are just "like" them?

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:02:48 AM

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The earlier the better. Wishing things were different doesn't make them so.

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:05:58 AM

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So, just get a blog and whine about it then?

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:06:14 AM

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Well where do you cut it off then tazzy. what age do you think that kids are actually kids

When the "kid" starts acting like an "adult".

When they are given the use of a vehicle.

When they start making decisions of adults.

Those high school years are the time to transition from being a child into an adult. If you continue to treat them like children, when do they grow up? When do they learn responsibility, accountability and maturity? When they finally get into the "world" and realize they are ill prepared?

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:11:12 AM

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Well I think you just described what teachers are for. What parents need to do. And what exact truths are you going to tell them?

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:17:28 AM

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What teachers are for? Teachers arent there to raise children, they are there to educate. Somewhere along the line, teachers have become equated with "being there to be abused".

Responsibility, accountability and even maturity begin at home. I cao completely understand this teacher's frustration. But pushing it all off on her isnt the answer. She didnt "make" these young adults, she didnt raise them, she didnt teach them it was ok to be abusive towards those in charge simply because "you" can be and the "system/man" cant do a thing about it.

The whole school system is screwed up. Blaming parents for truancy... lol.. what a joke. These students revel in that shit.

Blaming teachers when they are pushed past their limits... again... these students think its cool to watch a grown man or woman struggle to maintain any amount of order.

When I was going through school, these types of sudents were the exception, not the norm. We wanted to graduate and be on our own, going to college and leaving high school behind. These days, students have no ambitions, except who can either torment teacher or be the biggest class clown.

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:39:57 AM

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Teachers aren't there to teach and guide? And I said parents.

But please save "the teachers as innocents" for someone else. They don't act in a way to try and change the system. They are fine with the system cause the system rewards them for just showing up. And because they are paid for just showing up do you know who becomes teachers? The last people that should be. I don't think you've been in a classroom lately either. Or taken a look at a dubious future knowing that all the shit a past generation has done is going to be heaped on your head.

When the generation ahead of ours and theirs starts to live responsibly and take care of themselves, this country, and the world then .......start blaming the kids....

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:41:57 AM

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Nope. I blame the parents. Gee, go figure. I blame the ones who should be in control and have abdicated that position.

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:43:23 AM

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But your generation had nothing to do with it right?

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:44:23 AM

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You call everything you dont agree with a generalization... even before you understand what you are disagreeing with. Case in point, the difference between a D&C and an abortion.

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:46:11 AM

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Reading comprehension skills leaving you?

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:47:10 AM

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Hardly... lol. Now, care to explain what generaliztion you are referring too so I can clear up your other misconception?

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:49:48 AM

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G-E-N-E-R-A-T-I-O-N

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 8:52:36 AM

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LOL... yeah... my eyes are old... what you want?

Did my generation... thats... g-e-n-e-r-a-t-i-o-n have anything to do with it? Isnt that passing the buck? I cant speak for my generation, only for myself... and my son knew his ass would be grass and I would be the lawnmower if he pulled any of those stunts I hear students bragging about today.

His biggest dread in school was them calling me because he acted out.

Are you implying parents today cannot instill that kind of respect, and even fear, in their own children? If not, why not?

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 9:20:55 AM

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Hows about we put a majority of the blame where it belongs, lets start with the PARENTS. Parents don't do their job, and expect the schools to do it for them. The teacher has your kid seven or eight hours a day five days a week, 35 to 40 hours total. There are 168 hours in a 7 day week, who is failing to do their job for those extra 128 to 133 hours a week? Sure lets blame the teachers, and the schools. Give me a fucking break.

Parentally,
Some Knucklehead in NJ

Hows about we realize this is not the 1950's.

You have parents who both have to work to make ends meet.

I'm sure most would like to devote more time to their children but are unable to.

Realistically,
Some knucklehead not in NJ.

My brother leaves for work in the morning around 7 and gets home at 6:30p.
He goes to bed at 10.
He certainly has time to spend with his kids but opts not to.
His wife is does not work.

Do you know who helps out with homework?
I do.
This began 4 years ago when I saw my youngest niece's report card.
It was not acceptable, and it was less acceptable to me that her parents were accepting that was the best she could do.

She now wants to get A's.

Parents do have a responsibility to their chidren's education.
Failure should not be an option.
For most kids, with the right kind of help, an F is not the best they can do.
Low grades should be treated with a multi-discipline approach that includes parents.
Poor behaviour should be treated with a multi-discipline approach that includes the school, parents and mental health or behavioural specialists as are appropriate.

If you are too busy making ends meet to raise your kids then you need to find a suitable stand in to help with homework, among other things.
All kids need boundaries.
If you aren't there, who is going to enforce them?

(BTW: have you been to a budget specialist to see what things you can let go of and what things you can do differently so as to be able to work a little less? It will be a lot cheaper than the lawyers you might need if your unsupervised kids do what unsupervised kids often do.)

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 10:22:47 AM

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...exactly which child did she call dumb stupid or lazy? answer...none. That was made clear in the article.

So teachers have no right to post freely on blogs.....

Seriously, all you guys agree that online postings (no names, no identifying the school or district) are reasons to be punished??

Really?

Let's say:
i'm a server in a restaurant. The customers are sometimes cheap, and rude, and stupid, and so i go home and start writing this blog making fun of them. The blog makes people laugh and helps me let off steam. Which is fine. UNTIL someone recognises me, and complains to the management. The specific details of what i wrote are recognisable and it's obvious that i'm the one who wrote it, even though i don't give my name, the restaurant's name, or the customer's names. Several customers have read the blog and become offended. The restaurant looks bad. i look bad. The event stirs up a lot of bad press. The management confronts me, and i admit that it's my blog. i am suspended, and they are considering firing me.

i wouldn't have a problem with that. i mean, i wouldn't like it, but i would blame myself.

The problem isn't that she wrote the blog at all. The problem is that she was indiscreet enough to provide details that identified herself and the school. She made the school look bad, even if it was from something she did in her free time.

Or, putting it another way: a while back, i was writing a lot in the journals on collarme. i wrote about many different things, including work. i didn't give any names, but i imagine that anyone who knew the place would have recognised it from what i wrote. (Which is why i pulled those entries, eventually.) My point is, that if someone HAD recognised me and reported me to my boss, i would have been fired. And i would have had no one but myself to blame.

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 10:48:15 AM

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When I was going through school, these types of sudents were the exception, not the norm. We wanted to graduate and be on our own, going to college and leaving high school behind. These days, students have no ambitions, except who can either torment teacher or be the biggest class clown.

And I bet bread was a nickel a loaf and you walked five miles to and from school, uphill in each direction, in a blinding snowstorm without shoes.

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 11:04:39 AM

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Maybe because their teachers are so fucking stupid that they write a blog about their jobs and students and assume that it is not going to be seen....She should be fired for stupidity

That's right. How dare she suggest those lazy little punks are lazy. Better we should boost their little egos, than try and teach them to be responsible adults.

Yeah we should belittle kids at every opportunity. It's not like calling a child stupid. dumb, lazy etc. would have any effect on the child.

10th - 12th graders are hardly in that age group of what I would consider a "child".

And that is part of the problem. People don't think of them as children when they are.....

You're damn right I don't think of them as children. They can get a license and drive, they can hold jobs with limited hours, they can join the armed forces. They can almost vote. We can't give people those kinds of priviledges without holding them responsible.

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 11:15:49 AM

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When I was going through school, these types of sudents were the exception, not the norm. We wanted to graduate and be on our own, going to college and leaving high school behind. These days, students have no ambitions, except who can either torment teacher or be the biggest class clown.

And I bet bread was a nickel a loaf and you walked five miles to and from school, uphill in each direction, in a blinding snowstorm without shoes.

No wonder why you are broke.

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RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students - 2/17/2011 11:52:13 AM

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When I was going through school, these types of sudents were the exception, not the norm. We wanted to graduate and be on our own, going to college and leaving high school behind. These days, students have no ambitions, except who can either torment teacher or be the biggest class clown.

And I bet bread was a nickel a loaf and you walked five miles to and from school, uphill in each direction, in a blinding snowstorm without shoes.

No wonder why you are broke.

What?

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