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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 8:13:29 AM   
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It's interesting that the number was originally issued to a woman born in 1897 who died not long before the number was supposedly issued to 0bama0.



It would really, really, really be interesting if you ever offered any proof of what you say.



He quotes people who make shit up for a living.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 8:33:14 AM   
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It's interesting that the number was originally issued to a woman born in 1897 who died not long before the number was supposedly issued to 0bama0.



It would really, really, really be interesting if you ever offered any proof of what you say.



Heres his undeniable proof.  The governments social security website. It says the first social security number was issued sometime around November of 1936 (which would sorta make sense, since social security was enacted under FDR).  So somehow the conspiracy has wiped out the 1897 non existant social security system, but what is the symbolic significance 0f 1936?  What are these devils up to?

oh, this birther conspiracy is fuckin BIG!!!!!!  BIG!!!! I tell you.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/firstcard.html

But, if she was on social security in 1897 there is a good bet that she was dead by 1936, so that may be how it got issued.


LMFAO....

Ron,

The woman was BORN in 1897 and got the card in the 1970's, from what I understand. So she would be 70 to 80-something at that point. In 1936 she would have only been 39 years old.

Now this does not explain why she would not have gotten the card and benefits at a younger age. In fact the whole thing makes no sense, but there is the math for you.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 8:46:18 AM   
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why would she have been issued a card  at 70?  she worked 30 some years and no ssi deductions? she must have missed that day at the laundry, when the announcement was made.  Here I read on some of the birther sites it was a guy whose number he got.

The social security system does not reissue numbers, and since they have the 'proof' that this number he is using belongs to somebody else (seems a little funny the ss folks or the irs is unaware of it) they need to sashay up to the FBI office and have him arrested for fraud.  The proof is non-existant it is tinfoilers, and the math adds up to 2 + 2 = 5.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 10:09:07 AM   
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why would she have been issued a card  at 70?  she worked 30 some years and no ssi deductions? she must have missed that day at the laundry, when the announcement was made.  Here I read on some of the birther sites it was a guy whose number he got.

The social security system does not reissue numbers, and since they have the 'proof' that this number he is using belongs to somebody else (seems a little funny the ss folks or the irs is unaware of it) they need to sashay up to the FBI office and have him arrested for fraud.  The proof is non-existant it is tinfoilers, and the math adds up to 2 + 2 = 5.


Well, that is why I said that it was strange she would be issued a card then, instead of earlier, for the benefits. She would have been eligible earlier. And even if it was her husband's benefits that she was getting, why did she bother with getting a number?

The way they said they did the search for the information was unclear as well.

With the birth certificate, I understood the 'logic.' They think it is fake. Like the people that think the moon landing was fake, I can understand what they are saying.

The social security card. . . I am not understanding what they are saying.

BTW, the 'math' I was refering to was the person's birthdate and the issue date.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 10:28:52 AM   
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Sooooooo back on topic.

Why would Walker refuse to bargain with the Unions?

Walker said Monday afternoon he wasn't interested in compromises that have been floated by public employee unions and even a Republican state senator. He spoke inside his heavily guarded conference room in the Capitol as thousands of people screamed and stomped outside his office to "Recall Walker!"

Walker reiterated his longstanding position that his proposal is about balancing Wisconsin's budget and not busting the unions. He called one of the proposed compromises a "non-starter."

"For those 14 Senate Democrats, you've had your time," Walker said. "Now it's time to come home."

Democratic Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller said Democrats were waiting for Walker to compromise.

"It's right in front of the governor," Miller said. "He just needs to pick it up and allow us to move on. .... This is a no-brainer."

Under one deal, the unions said they would accept paying more for benefits as Walker wants but still retain their collective bargaining rights. Another compromise offered by Republican Sen. Dale Schultz would remove collective bargaining rights just for two years.

Walker has repeatedly rejected both offers, saying local governments and school districts can't be hamstrung by the often lengthy collective bargaining process and need to have more flexibility to deal with up to $1 billion in cuts he will propose in his budget next week and into the future.


http://www.npr.org/2011/02/21/133945476/wisconsin-governor-refuses-unions-compromise

Representative Paul Ryan made an unintentionally apt comparison: “It’s like Cairo has moved to Madison.”

Could this be true?

It wasn’t the smartest thing for Mr. Ryan to say, since he probably didn’t mean to compare Mr. Walker, a fellow Republican, to Hosni Mubarak. Or maybe he did — after all, quite a few prominent conservatives, including Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Rick Santorum, denounced the uprising in Egypt and insist that President Obama should have helped the Mubarak regime suppress it.

In any case, however, Mr. Ryan was more right than he knew. For what’s happening in Wisconsin isn’t about the state budget, despite Mr. Walker’s pretense that he’s just trying to be fiscally responsible. It is, instead, about power. What Mr. Walker and his backers are trying to do is to make Wisconsin — and eventually, America — less of a functioning democracy and more of a third-world-style oligarchy. And that’s why anyone who believes that we need some counterweight to the political power of big money should be on the demonstrators’ side.

Some background: Wisconsin is indeed facing a budget crunch, although its difficulties are less severe than those facing many other states. Revenue has fallen in the face of a weak economy, while stimulus funds, which helped close the gap in 2009 and 2010, have faded away.

In this situation, it makes sense to call for shared sacrifice, including monetary concessions from state workers. And union leaders have signaled that they are, in fact, willing to make such concessions.

But Mr. Walker isn’t interested in making a deal. Partly that’s because he doesn’t want to share the sacrifice: even as he proclaims that Wisconsin faces a terrible fiscal crisis, he has been pushing through tax cuts that make the deficit worse. Mainly, however, he has made it clear that rather than bargaining with workers, he wants to end workers’ ability to bargain.

The bill that has inspired the demonstrations would strip away collective bargaining rights for many of the state’s workers, in effect busting public-employee unions. Tellingly, some workers — namely, those who tend to be Republican-leaning — are exempted from the ban; it’s as if Mr. Walker were flaunting the political nature of his actions.


Why bust the unions? As I said, it has nothing to do with helping Wisconsin deal with its current fiscal crisis. Nor is it likely to help the state’s budget prospects even in the long run: contrary to what you may have heard, public-sector workers in Wisconsin and elsewhere are paid somewhat less than private-sector workers with comparable qualifications, so there’s not much room for further pay squeezes.

So it’s not about the budget; it’s about the power.

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=4&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1298383344-yjNJFOYrdwyxlGSNkZBrRg

Sadly, many dont believe it ends there.

The new Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker was just one of many Tea Party/GOP candidates inserted into office by the Koch Brothers, under our new Supreme Court ruling allowing corporate bribery. Now their puppet Governor is trying to bust the remnants of unions in this country.

But the Koch brothers are in the fossil energy business. The fossil energy industry hardly has to bother about such impediments. Why would they care about unions? It turns out, there’s more!

Thomas Content at The Wisconsin Sentinel is reporting that a little-noticed section in the rest of the bill (the part that will get passed once one side or the other relents on the union issue) allows Walker to sell state owned power plants at pennies on the dollar.

It bypasses the public utility commission oversight, specifying “no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary”

SENATE BILL 11
AN ACT relating to: state finances, collective bargaining for public employees, compensation and fringe benefits of public employees, the state civil service system, the Medical Assistance program, sale of certain facilities, granting bonding authority, and making an appropriation

SECTION 44. 16.896 of the statutes is created to read: 16.896
Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants.

(1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.

Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).


http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/21/wisconsin-union-busting-concealing-a-koch-brothers-power-grab/

Im hearing the phrase... Now you know the rest of the story.... anyone else?

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 11:22:43 AM   
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Well those are all right. It isn't a coincidence that his first real move in office is to start to break unions. Will it have a reverb across the nation if he wins? yes.....

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 11:29:18 AM   
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I dont see how if it was enacted it would go past the SC 

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 12:31:33 PM   
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http://wills.about.com/b/2010/02/27/estate-taxes-by-state-does-wisconsin-have-an-estate-tax.htm

Will let you google tax incentives for the paper industry. Too many to even begin to list.

Now, show me where the state is bankrupt without the means to raise revenues......Citations please


Thank GOD...a state that does not tax the same money twice which is what an estate tax is.

And again...WHY should taxpayers continue to pay ever more...more than what they themselves make and have in benefits? I have yet to see a good answer to that.

As far as incentives to industry...industry brings profits into itself. Those same profits are taxed. Tell me...what profit do these teachers bring in? Wisconsin 8th graders fall below the norm when compared to other states when it comes to reading.


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 12:34:39 PM   
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And why not break the unions? Their members have forgotten who serves who.

Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest


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Well those are all right. It isn't a coincidence that his first real move in office is to start to break unions. Will it have a reverb across the nation if he wins? yes.....


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 12:47:08 PM   
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The 14 democrat senators from Wisconsin are still hiding out in Illinois. Now the democrats from Indiana have followed suit and left that state as well. What a bunch of cowards.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 12:53:18 PM   
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And why not break the unions? Their members have forgotten who serves who.

Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest


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Well those are all right. It isn't a coincidence that his first real move in office is to start to break unions. Will it have a reverb across the nation if he wins? yes.....




Nice screaming headline. But, if you read the whole report, Wisc is one of the better states in the midwest and above the national average. I wonder what reading comprehension is in Idaho?

Google is your friend.

It seems that Idaho scores worse than Wisconsin.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 12:56:14 PM   
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Cowards? nah cowards is calling for bloodshed because you dont like the fallout from 8 years of clusterfucking the country and need to blame the new guy.





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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 1:00:39 PM   
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What would you call running away to another state ? This is not helping the cause of democrats. Most see it for what it is.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 1:08:35 PM   
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What would you call running away to another state ? This is not helping the cause of democrats. Most see it for what it is.


What it is?  It's a tactical measure used to try and prevent legislation that would hurt the average worker.

But you hate those evil unions.

Except for the one that negotiated your retirement compensation.



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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 1:09:47 PM   
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you are just upset because now dems are becoming the party of no and that your party didnt think of it first.
From a non american point of view, I find it all a disgusting joke


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 1:11:08 PM   
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I'm betting that  Scott Walker couldn't be elected dogcatcher at this point.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 1:17:54 PM   
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Not even his brothers are talking to him anymore...

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 1:38:38 PM   
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The democrats are now the party of ' no show '...

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 1:40:48 PM   
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Labor contracts are renegotiated, n'est ce pas?
This is a form of renegotiation sometimes called "take it or leave it".

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/22/2011 1:41:59 PM   
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The democrats are now the party of ' no show '...


I guess it's better than playing the game and then claiming you are not part of the game.

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