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MaamJay -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/18/2011 8:31:18 PM)

Well I'm really going to stuff you OP ... because I am both Dominant and submissive! I actually had more difficulty coming to terms with my submissive side (and so did everyone who knew Me LOL!) ... first time i went to visit and serve Master they were all taking bets on how long it would be before i said "Get your own damn tea!" Here we are, 24/7 since June 2004, and i've never said that in anger! There have been times when i've been seriously unwell when i've said "i think You might have to get Your own tea Master, sorry"!

However, Dominance was something that came very naturally to Me from the moment it was suggested to Me that I might be a good Dominatrix! I am a natural leader who tends to be selected in any group I become a part of. Following has been a much more difficult road (especially giving up musical control to Master ... wow that was HARD for a former choir mistress who has led every other musical group I've ever been part of!). So while sub females may seem to be the natural order for You OP I do agree with LadyPact ... it would do You a world of good to get out more and meet others of all persuasions!

And a little advice ... as a relative newcomer to the boards ... be wary of using humour without making it blindingly obvious you are doing so ... at least till we get to know you a bit ... especially if you are going to say something that's bound to be controversial and potentially offensive! Tread lightly!
Maam Jay aka violet[A]




SpyUnderCover -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/19/2011 11:04:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: golemx

With regards to the original subject. This came up because I'm currently reading the book "Cinderella Ate My Daughter", and in my own family I see the unavoidable (books, movies, playground, school, friends, family) influence of that message towards girls every day (which is probably why I should have been more sensitive...) The author points out that in "Little Mermaid" she literally gives up her voice to meet her prince. Ouch.

So I just see that juxtaposed in my mind with the clearly self-realized Dommes here and was interested in the path to reaching that. I thought it would be an interesting subject in general.


Interesting indeed. I know I was subjected to all the social influences you just described. In my childhood, the pull to be submissive was pretty strong. It would have been easier, in some ways, to just get patted on the head and be the "good girl" that everyone expected me to be.

Unlike SweetDommes, my mother was very passive. My father was definitely the dominant in the family. I looked at them, saw who had the power, and decided (albeit subconsciously) that I wanted the power that my father had, not the submissiveness of my mother. Having the power was way more appealing to me than being the "good, obedient girl." It took a long time for that drive to manifest as actual dominance in a D/s sense of the word, but here I am. And how ironic that what led me to this was almost the opposite of what SweetDommes experienced!

Spy





SweetDommes -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/19/2011 1:00:08 PM)

It takes all sorts ... and it just proves that the nature factor is just as important as the nurture factor in growing up.




DarkSteven -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/19/2011 1:21:47 PM)

The title of this thread keeps making me think "Why a Duck?"




kalikshama -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/19/2011 4:45:32 PM)

I often reflect on how odd sadism is. I don't get it at all.

The masochistic me reveled when the submissive me battled the feminist me for dominance.




Steponme73 -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/19/2011 5:07:21 PM)

I guess I will way in on this even though I am not dominant and I am not a woman. Golemx you said in one of your previous points that you find men not that interesting. I could not agree more. I find Male dominants boring. There is nothing to them for the most part.
Being an Alpha male in my "normal" lifeis one thing. But being submissve to a woman gives me a whole new set of feelings. I am comfortable with her being in total control. Now with that said, I would not be submissive to just any woman. There would have to be a connection for me. There has to be substance there for it to work. But it does work. There is a new dynamic with a woman in charge that is exciting and exhilirating. I love it.




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/19/2011 11:48:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
We don't associate submissiveness with womanhood. You do. It is only strange to those that cannot see another persons point of view.

Basically, there are Alpha's of all genders and men just tried to tell us we weren't Alpha's... sometimes because they viewed us as a threat to their Alpha status.

It comes just as naturally to us as it does to you.
What she said.

quote:

golemx
So the secondary question is, was that a difficult path to tread
Difficult in relation to the masses, and their expectation of my role, yes, a little.   Not difficult at all, when it comes to knowing myself, and what works for me within a relationship.   Finding that trying to fit within society's expectation/pigeonholing me, was suffocating to me, felt like taking a huge load off.   M




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/20/2011 11:43:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: golemx



Seriously, I'm wondering how a female, which we normally associate with submissiveness, finds a dominant within herself. It seems to me that this might even be harder than admitting submissiveness for a woman.



Who is this "we" you mention? I thought your profile indicates you're from the US and not Saudi Arabia?

Did you time travel? 21st century and women are "normally associated with submissiveness"? I don't think we share the same planet...




sweetsub1957 -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/20/2011 9:10:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


quote:

ORIGINAL: golemx



Seriously, I'm wondering how a female, which we normally associate with submissiveness, finds a dominant within herself. It seems to me that this might even be harder than admitting submissiveness for a woman.



Who is this "we" you mention? I thought your profile indicates you're from the US and not Saudi Arabia?

Did you time travel? 21st century and women are "normally associated with submissiveness"? I don't think we share the same planet...

Yes. THIS. ^^^ I read this thread before and was going to ask: Who is this "we" You speak of? Do You have a turd in Your pocket?

~sweetsub~




Madame4a -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/21/2011 5:27:13 AM)

You're not just offensive to dominant women, your attitude is offensive to all women.

yuck.. I do feel sorry for anyone that hooks up with you




chiaThePet -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/21/2011 6:29:35 AM)


Being assertive garners one the best chocolate silly.

chia* (the pet)




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/21/2011 11:39:21 AM)

"Why A Mistress?"
It's a delightful way to get my needs met. Fortunately it meets the needs of my partner(s) too. Simple as that.




LaTigresse -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/21/2011 12:01:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet


Being assertive garners one the best chocolate silly.

chia* (the pet)



Speaking of chocolate, I highly recommend the new Reese's minis![:D]

As for the OP...the whole subject is just odd to me.

I was raised in an environment that suggested women be subservient towards men. It was all religioun driven. The media at that time was all about women's lib, 'Bring home the bacon and fry it up in the pan....'. Alan Alda type men pissing and whining, trying to be examples of what the 'new and improved man' was supposed to be. Neither the men or women seemed very happy in their new equality and neither seemed to have a clue what they were supposed to do or how they were supposed to act.

As a child I idolized John Wayne and thought he was the shining example yet, I was surrounded by examples of weak men, including my father. The only men that seemed happy were those that were in relationships with strong women.

In my life there have been very very few men I have come to respect. Very few. Women certainly moreso..........my grandmother and my neighbour growing up, will always be at the top of the list.

I don't know if I look at the world differently than most or if I simply have higher standards. Most dominant men seem hugely insecure to me. Although many dominant women share that trait, they seem to often do a better job of maturing out of their insecurity and into really amazing women. Leaders in whatever path they take.

Regardless of my own personal views, I don't think dominant, leader, Master/Mistress, can ever be gender initiated. I think gender can only shape how it is expressed and used but not the core of it's existence.




SnowRanger -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/21/2011 9:10:06 PM)

Hello A/all,

First, I feel the need to come to the defense of Golemx. I read his remark about 'female doms being abnormal' as strictly rhetorical and not intended to be offensive. Let's agree that his premise was in-artfully expressed and re-examine the discussion.

Golemx's premise is that dominance is masculine and that submission is feminine. I think that he blew it right from the start. Let's dis-associate dominance from gender (and sex); and look at the ways dominance is practiced or expressed.

Almost thirty years ago a book was published that was a humorous response to the "New and Improved Alan Alda Type Man." If I remember correctly, a real man could log and slash a section of timber, dump the toxic waste and drive an eighteen wheeler from Bangor, Maine to San Diego, all in a light weekend. There was MORE. Real men did not drink light beer, wear bikini underwear, or, eat quiche. {NOTE: In the interest of full disclosure, I fail to meet these criterion on two counts. I like quiche and I have been lugging a barrel of PCBs around for years. I can't bring myself to dump that barrel anywhere.} :-P

My point here is that there seem to be accepted norms of conduct for men and women. I submit that there are accepted forms of EXPRESSING DOMINANCE that differ for men and women.

I think that SweetDommes pegged it here. Direct action is considered masculine. Men rescue, solve, fight and force Subtlety is considered feminine. Women persuade, manipulate, or build (and guide) consensus. I will concede one point here. It seems to be perfectly acceptable for a woman to kick a guy in the nuts.

In the D/s world little seems to change for dominant men. Men spank, bind, whip and fuck submissives. For Dominant Women there seems to be a big change. Women can still persuade and manipulate; but, they can also spank, bind whip, fuck and kick a guy in the nuts.

Let's restate Golemx's question. As a Dominant Woman did you struggle with these "masculine" forms of dominance?

Frankly, I suspect that the answer is "Hell No!"

Respectfully,
Mike
SnowRanger




LaTigresse -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/22/2011 3:41:23 AM)

Snow Ranger I think you are touching on some issues that we often see, not only here, causing people confusion. You also clarified some unconcious things I had rolling around in my brain that brought out the Alan Alda, 70's feminist stuff.

My number one annoyance is when people either feel they cannot, or are told in some way, they cannot be really 'whatever it is' because they don't do/wear/fit some ideal that others have developed. Which tends to create a lot of inauthenticy and posturing. That was what always stood out to me in the feminist movement, stands out now in the lesbian community in Iowa City, and we see it here in written form.

I think the causes are varied. Sometimes cultural (something I mentioned in a thread began by a South American submissive male not long ago), sometimes just parental influence, sometimes garbage picked up from the media/movies/erotica, but most probably a combination package.

The really crappy thing is that, while those norms/ideals that are created can be a sexy hot trigger for fantasies, they are really destructive also. Destructive mentally/emotionally to those that don't fit but also relationships for those that are looking for that 'ideal' person.

Our forums are chock full of questions about people stressing that they, their sig other, their relationship.......does not fit some imagined ideal. They assume that someone really does.

I would rather be, and be with, a person that doesn't fit much of any of a stereotype, but is being their authentic self. Rather than constantly chase rainbows, reinventing themselves to try and fit the imagined pot of gold.

It's all rather sad, the restrictions we place on ourselves. How many men we see on here that are caught between their vision of a very masculine man and the desire to submit to a woman. Toss in all the discussions about forced femme/strapons/forced bi......etc etc etc when he sees hisown authentic self as more of a knight for a queen, and damn.......talk about scary and head messing. Then he gets upset and bashes the guys that like the stuff that squicks him out, saying they are not 'real men' and you've got nasty head trips for them also.

It is the same for women, dominant or submissive. How often we read here of women getting bashed "You are not a real twuuuuuuue Domme because you won't do......." When the reality is, that woman saying she wouldn't do xyz was the real dominant action of the whole interlude.

We all have been raised with some sort of gender expectation. I think when you mix in a power dynamic that doesn't necessarily fit that expectation, it tosses people's heads for a loop. The good thing is, like with most wrong stereotypes, the more it is discussed, the better the chance of opening people's minds.




OttersSwim -> RE: Why a Mistress? (2/22/2011 7:07:58 AM)

Two excellent posts!  [:)]




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