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MsMacComb -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 1:45:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: agirl
It perfectly possible to have sex with the same gender as an experience...it really is not true at all that all straight guys are repulsed by this..nor females.
Regards, agirl
 

I think thats what's known as bi or bi curious. Using the term "straight" means they are straight. As in no homosexual desires. If they have no desire, they are not going to do it.



littlemissub -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 1:49:42 PM)

I agree with agirl.  I consider myself straight but if my Dom asked me to be with a woman I would.  Also I have been kissed by women but I don't necessarily think that these things make me gay or bi.  I am simply submitting to my Dom's will.



Wulfchyld -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 2:09:28 PM)

What was that catchy phrase from “play it to the bone?”



agirl -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 2:10:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl
It perfectly possible to have sex with the same gender as an experience...it really is not true at all that all straight guys are repulsed by this..nor females.
Regards, agirl
 

I think thats what's known as bi or bi curious. Using the term "straight" means they are straight. As in no homosexual desires. If they have no desire, they are not going to do it.


That's just not the case, I'm afraid. It may be something that is outside of your experience or understanding , that doesn't make it *not so*. The *real* world that you inhabit is not the *real* world that I do, obviously.......LOL

Regards, agirl




SubtleCuriosity6 -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 2:11:45 PM)

Once, in my 20's I staged a scene with a woman for our bf's benefits.  I was not enjoying it and was ready to call it quits when I looked over and saw how my bf's eyes were lit up.  Then I was turned on.  I have no desire for women and yet I would be willing in those kinds of circumstances to be with a woman.  I don't believe that makes me bi.



MsMacComb -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 2:24:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: agirl
That's just not the case, I'm afraid. It may be something that is outside of your experience or understanding , that doesn't make it *not so*. The *real* world that you inhabit is not the *real* world that I do, obviously.......LOL
Regards, agirl
  

So let me see if I have this straight as I would really like to live in your "real" world. A man has sex with another man but that doesnt make him bi or gay. A woman has sex with another woman but that doesnt make her bi or lesbian.
So then we really need to remove the terms gay, lesbian, bisexual and all variations form our society, language, culture etc right? If they have no meaning why even have terms or classifications? So enlighten me as my "understanding" of things is obviously not on par with yours, lol. 
gay  
ADJECTIVE:
gay·er , gay·est
  1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex. 

les·bi·an  [image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/t/pron.jpg[/image]  (l[image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/ebreve.gif[/image]z[image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/prime.gif[/image]b[image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/emacr.gif[/image]-[image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/schwa.gif[/image]n)
 NOUN:
A woman whose sexual orientation is to women.  

bi·sex·u·al  
ADJECTIVE:

  1. Of or relating to both sexes. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of either sex.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 3:02:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

So then we really need to remove the terms gay, lesbian, bisexual and all variations form our society, language, culture etc right? If they have no meaning why even have terms or classifications? So enlighten me as my "understanding" of things is obviously not on par with yours, lol. 
gay  
ADJECTIVE:
gay·er , gay·est
  1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex. 

les·bi·an  [image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/t/pron.jpg[/image]  (l[image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/ebreve.gif[/image]z[image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/prime.gif[/image]b[image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/emacr.gif[/image]-[image]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/schwa.gif[/image]n)
 NOUN:
A woman whose sexual orientation is to women.  

bi·sex·u·al  
ADJECTIVE:
  1. Of or relating to both sexes. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of either sex.




All of those have the word "orientation" in them.

Performing physical acts does not define one's orientation.

If I am ordered to go down ona woman and follow those orders- that doesn't make me bisexual, or even bi curious.  It makes me obedience.



MsMacComb -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 3:16:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
All of those have the word "orientation" in them.
Performing physical acts does not define one's orientation.
If I am ordered to go down ona woman and follow those orders- that doesn't make me bisexual, or even bi curious.  It makes me obedience.
 

Yes thats really the whole point isnt it? Orientation (in this regard) dictates what one is inclined or desires to do. I personally think its a pre-determined genetic disposition but regardless for the moment, if someone is not so inclined to want to do so they are not going to do it. You may not be into (umm not sure if its ok to use them term, so livestock, lol) but if you are ordered to go down on a horse, or jump off a cliff does that mean you do it? People that willing jump off a cliff are called suicidal regardless if *you* personally wish to use that term or not. 
Whatever, just conduct a little test. Go down to your local redneck bar, or the gym, or a grocery store, or whereever, find a guy that states he is 100% straight but that likes a little femdom spanking. Now tell him you are going to "order" him to suck on a nice long thick fat dick to completion, then come back and tell me how your little test went. lol.
The point is as you said. Performing physical acts doesnt determine ones orientation. However without a proclivity to that act, to engage in that act with a member of the same sex, the act won't happen. If they are not at least a small percent bisexual they won't do it.



agirl -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 3:27:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

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Yes thats really the whole point isnt it? Orientation (in this regard) dictates what one is inclined or desires to do. I personally think its a pre-determined genetic disposition but regardless for the moment, if someone is not so inclined to want to do so they are not going to do it. You may not be into (umm not sure if its ok to use them term, so livestock, lol) but if you are ordered to go down on a horse, or jump off a cliff does that mean you do it? People that willing jump off a cliff are called suicidal regardless if *you* personally wish to use that term or not. 
Whatever, just conduct a little test. Go down to your local redneck bar, or the gym, or a grocery store, or whereever, find a guy that states he is 100% straight but that likes a little femdom spanking. Now tell him you are going to "order" him to suck on a nice long thick fat dick to completion, then come back and tell me how your little test went. lol.
The point is as you said. Performing physical acts doesnt determine ones orientation. However without a proclivity to that act, to engage in that act with a member of the same sex, the act won't happen. If they are not at least a small percent bisexual they won't do it.


As I stated before......it may be outside of your experience, but that doesn't make it *not so* .....You have quoted *orientation* , which is quite different to *comitting an act* ......You may not understand that it's possible to do that without being *gay* etc ...that is your *truth*......but it really IS possible and happens.

Regards, agirl



LadyHugs -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 3:57:59 PM)

Dear brokenmaleslave, Ladies and Gentlemen;

The more "clutter" or confusion you have in your sexuality and behaviors, the more frustration will be manifested in trying to figure out what you're trying to express.

In a consensual minded system of modern BDSM, D/s, M/s and or S&M, one can't be forced into bisexual acts, as it is important that consent and willingness be there.  So, I always chuckle at "forced bi."  Like pregnancy--either you're heterosexual with brief experiments in bisexuality or your bisexual with leanings more towards women.

Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs



Proprietrix -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 4:16:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs
In a consensual minded system of modern BDSM, D/s, M/s and or S&M, one can't be forced into bisexual acts, as it is important that consent and willingness be there.  So, I always chuckle at "forced bi."  Like pregnancy--either you're heterosexual with brief experiments in bisexuality or your bisexual with leanings more towards women.


I had given up on this thread because I didn't know how to express what I felt. Then along comes LadyHugs with her wisdom and wonderful skill of articulation and hit the nail on the head.

THIS is what I've been failing to articulate. And I would venture to guess this is probably what MsMcomb is saying. (Maybe?)
The consent and willingness to do the act is there in the first place. 
A 100% straight male isn't going to have that willingness and consent to engage in a homosexual act in the first place. And to actually "force" him into doing it is, imo, abusive. (As I have expanded on in recent forced bi threads.)
I like the way LadyHugs defined this "heterosexual with experiments in bisexuality". That is a definition I am content with. (Though I would still argue that if the experiments in bisexuality become frequent and/or often, outside the realm of experimentation, one is indeed bisexual.)



MsMacComb -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 6:27:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl
As I stated before......it may be outside of your experience, but that doesn't make it *not so* .....You have quoted *orientation* , which is quite different to *comitting an act* ......You may not understand that it's possible to do that without being *gay* etc ...that is your *truth*......but it really IS possible and happens.
Regards, agirl
 

I'm using the term "orientation" as thats what the OP used. You may tell me that its "outside my expereince" for a male to give birth and that I just "may not understand that it's possible" and then tell me that it really IS possible and happens.
I would want to see some sort of evidence or proof. Trying to obfuscate or obscure the simplicity and the genetic and biological elements is kind of pointless I think.
Look lets break it down into its most basic and simplistic form.
Gay and bi men suck cock.
Straight men don't.
Lesbians eat pussy.
Straight women don't.
Seems pretty simple to me.[:)]



truesub4u -> RE: Sexuality (5/5/2006 6:35:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CERCKL


...but, but, I just bought this new Brother labelmaker, I mean laminated and everything and you want to move past labels???

Dammit.

C

BTW Labels can both be limiting as well as defining...it should provide certain markers which we can expand from...unfortunately most use it as shorthand and just go with stereotypes...

My label "asshole"


Luckily for you I put coffee on before coming on.... [```]3 here ya go CERCKL.... Cup of Turkish for you.... now... time to peel the labels off again... because as soon as we get labels straight... someone comes along and changes them again... LOL



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Sexuality (5/6/2006 7:14:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix
The consent and willingness to do the act is there in the first place. 
A 100% straight male isn't going to have that willingness and consent to engage in a homosexual act in the first place.

Just because a person consents to an act does not in any way mean that they desire or have an orientation related TO that act.  A slave who allows themself to be beaten does not mean they are a masochist, or have any inclinations towards masochism- it means they accept that their body is to be used for whatever purpose the owner decides. 

Sexual usage is exactly the same for me. 

Remember my saying- if you can imagine it, people are doing it, and very happy with it.  There are people who are willing to be used in any capacity, even though they have absolutely no inner desire towards what they are being used for.  The act of obedience is a completely separate entity from the act itself.



MistressSophia -> RE: Sexuality (5/6/2006 7:45:00 AM)

MS MAC COMB.
Let me see if I  CAN BE OF ANY HELP HERE. FIRST AND FORMOST LABELS SUCK..
The difference is these sub/slave do not live a life of seeking out the same SEX gender to have sex with. They obey the order of a Master/Mistress, as their position warrents it. Not for sexual  personal pleasure. So no they aren't gay. they aren't bi. they are obedient.submisives/slaves.I so dislike close minded people. ,this life style has no place for harmful labels and judging of others.

PLAY BY ALL THE RULES
MISS ALL THE FUN.
MY RULES, MY FUN



agirl -> RE: Sexuality (5/6/2006 1:53:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl
As I stated before......it may be outside of your experience, but that doesn't make it *not so* .....You have quoted *orientation* , which is quite different to *comitting an act* ......You may not understand that it's possible to do that without being *gay* etc ...that is your *truth*......but it really IS possible and happens.
Regards, agirl
 

I'm using the term "orientation" as thats what the OP used. You may tell me that its "outside my expereince" for a male to give birth and that I just "may not understand that it's possible" and then tell me that it really IS possible and happens.
I would want to see some sort of evidence or proof. Trying to obfuscate or obscure the simplicity and the genetic and biological elements is kind of pointless I think.
Look lets break it down into its most basic and simplistic form.
Gay and bi men suck cock.
Straight men don't.
Lesbians eat pussy.
Straight women don't.
Seems pretty simple to me.[:)]


It really isn't as simple as you seem to think....being homosexual is to be *emotionally and sexually attracted to the opposite sex*...being  bisexual is to be *emotionally and sexually attracted to either gender*..........being able to take part in a sexual act with the same gender does not imply that a person is either of these, bdsm or otherwise.

I think you are making something that isn't simple at all, fit into a VERY narrow definition.

Regards, agirl



SubtleCuriosity6 -> RE: Sexuality (5/7/2006 3:58:33 PM)

brokenmaleslave...if this conversation hasn't confused you more then let me say that labels are made by close minded people.  They figure if they can label you they can put you in a folder and file you under whatever category they've chosen for that label.  Whatever you and your signficant other believe is all that matters.



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