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kdsub -> Big oil sticking it to us (2/22/2011 7:31:25 PM)

Here in St Louis our gas price per gallon has jumped 11 cents per gallon today and is expected to jump maybe as high as 53 cents per gallon over the next few months…. Why… they say because of the fear that oil from Libya may be interrupted.

What crap.. Why do we keep putting up with these asshole speculators using any excuse to skyrocket the cost of gasoline?

Libya is a minor contributor to our oil supply… less then ½ of 1 percent no problem at all to replace with other sources. Yes I could see a .05 percent increase but not 15 percent.

Something needs to done while we still have to power to demand change.

Butch




servantforuse -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/22/2011 7:44:21 PM)

The last time gasoline was this expensive, the libs blamed Bush, Cheney and Hallibutton.




DarkSteven -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/22/2011 7:45:31 PM)

Ir's not just Libya.  The while Middle East is getting unstable.




servantforuse -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/22/2011 7:51:14 PM)

Maybe, just maybe, we should be drilling our own oil ?




Sanity -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/22/2011 8:13:02 PM)


How many of you have heard about this

quote:

SCENARIOS-Obama admin divided over Canada oil sands pipe

Feb 15 (Reuters) - The Obama administration is divided over a proposed pipeline that would ease U.S. reliance on oil from unstable regions but boost dependence on Canada's oil sands which are deemed environmentally unfriendly by green groups. TransCanada Corp (TRP.TO), the company hoping to build the $7 billion-plus Keystone XL pipeline extension, expects the State Department to approve the project in the second half of 2011.


A U.S. decision had originally been expected in the first half of the year. The State Department would not immediately comment.

The oil from the duct would help cut U.S. dependence on imports from Venezuela and Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia.

The Environmental Protection Agency, however, is concerned by the greenhouse gas emissions from production of Alberta's tarry oil sands and worried that the petroleum bounty could undermine U.S. plans to make cars more efficient and electrify more vehicles in coming decades.

TransCanada hopes the 510,000 barrel-per-day pipeline, which would stretch from Canada to refineries in Texas and Louisiana, will begin operating sometime in 2013. It wants to build a link from the proposed line so that oil drilled in the northern United States could also be shipped to the huge Cushing, Oklahoma, oil storage hub.


Here are some possible paths the plan could take if it is approved.

LIKELIEST: STATE COMPROMISES, EPA SATISFIED

In July, the EPA asked the State Department to revise its environmental impact statement on the pipeline to consider greenhouse gas emissions, other environmental concerns and pipeline safety.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hinted in October her department was "inclined" to approve the line on energy security grounds. Since then a senior State Department official said approval is not a foregone conclusion.

Full article here




Sanity -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/22/2011 8:47:31 PM)


Then theres this

quote:

Judge holds Interior Dept. in contempt over ban


NEW ORLEANS — The federal judge who struck down the Obama administration's moratorium on deepwater drilling after the Gulf oil spill held the Interior Department in contempt Wednesday, and ordered the federal agency to pay attorneys' fees for several offshore oil companies.


U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman chided the department for its "dismissive conduct" after he overturned the agency's decision to halt any new permits for deepwater projects and suspend drilling on 33 exploratory wells after the Deepwater Horizon blast, which killed 11 workers and triggered the massive spill.


After Feldman overturned the government's moratorium in June, the agency issued a second nearly identical suspension.

"Such dismissive conduct, viewed in tandem with the reimposition of a second blanket and substantively identical moratorium and in light of the national importance of this case, provide this court with clear and convincing evidence of the government's contempt of this court's preliminary injunction order," he wrote.


Its more "Big Liberal" sticking it to us than anything, when oil goes up everything goes up. The Obama regime is doing everything it possibly can to screw us at the gas pump and the economy really doesnt need this kind of hit right now.








DarkSteven -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/22/2011 9:13:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


SCENARIOS-Obama admin divided over Canada oil sands pipe

Feb 15 (Reuters) - The Obama administration is divided over a proposed pipeline that would ease U.S. reliance on oil from unstable regions but boost dependence on Canada's oil sands which are deemed environmentally unfriendly by green groups. TransCanada Corp (TRP.TO), the company hoping to build the $7 billion-plus Keystone XL pipeline extension, expects the State Department to approve the project in the second half of 2011.


A U.S. decision had originally been expected in the first half of the year. The State Department would not immediately comment.

The oil from the duct would help cut U.S. dependence on imports from Venezuela and Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia.

The Environmental Protection Agency, however, is concerned by the greenhouse gas emissions from production of Alberta's tarry oil sands and worried that the petroleum bounty could undermine U.S. plans to make cars more efficient and electrify more vehicles in coming decades.

TransCanada hopes the 510,000 barrel-per-day pipeline, which would stretch from Canada to refineries in Texas and Louisiana, will begin operating sometime in 2013. It wants to build a link from the proposed line so that oil drilled in the northern United States could also be shipped to the huge Cushing, Oklahoma, oil storage hub.


Here are some possible paths the plan could take if it is approved.

LIKELIEST: STATE COMPROMISES, EPA SATISFIED

In July, the EPA asked the State Department to revise its environmental impact statement on the pipeline to consider greenhouse gas emissions, other environmental concerns and pipeline safety.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hinted in October her department was "inclined" to approve the line on energy security grounds. Since then a senior State Department official said approval is not a foregone conclusion.

Full article here


WTF is a duct?  Another word for pipeline?

Last I heard, the issue with oil sands was the energy required to extract it.

Please tell me that the line about the EPA worrying about de-emphasis of electric cars, is not true.  Where do they think that electricity COMES from? 





cpl4third -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/22/2011 9:18:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

What crap.. Why do we keep putting up with these asshole speculators using any excuse to skyrocket the cost of gasoline?





Because the minions out there continue to insist that government must get out of the affairs of business. Even the speculator business.

You can't get a little bit pregnant.





Termyn8or -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 12:50:21 AM)

Actually you can't stay a little pregnant.

T^T




MrRodgers -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 4:58:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The last time gasoline was this expensive, the libs blamed Bush, Cheney and Hallibutton.

Well they lied through their teeth to get us into two wars. Wars are a real profit center in not just munitions and supply but...in oil too. This price increase and the last run-up is ALL speculation. There is enough oil in the market to satisfy demand...world wide. There have been little in any way of production cuts so supply is not down...manipulated or not.

I think Saudi is under an unwritten agreement with the US to continue a minimum of production and even making up for any other supply problems as they too...are in debt. I however, cannot prove this.

All of the commodity prices are all speculated up in price during troubling times, that's why we always seem to have...troubling times.




MrRodgers -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 5:00:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

SCENARIOS-Obama admin divided over Canada oil sands pipe

Feb 15 (Reuters) - The Obama administration is divided over a proposed pipeline that would ease U.S. reliance on oil from unstable regions but boost dependence on Canada's oil sands which are deemed environmentally unfriendly by green groups. TransCanada Corp (TRP.TO), the company hoping to build the $7 billion-plus Keystone XL pipeline extension, expects the State Department to approve the project in the second half of 2011.


A U.S. decision had originally been expected in the first half of the year. The State Department would not immediately comment.

The oil from the duct would help cut U.S. dependence on imports from Venezuela and Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia.

The Environmental Protection Agency, however, is concerned by the greenhouse gas emissions from production of Alberta's tarry oil sands and worried that the petroleum bounty could undermine U.S. plans to make cars more efficient and electrify more vehicles in coming decades.

TransCanada hopes the 510,000 barrel-per-day pipeline, which would stretch from Canada to refineries in Texas and Louisiana, will begin operating sometime in 2013. It wants to build a link from the proposed line so that oil drilled in the northern United States could also be shipped to the huge Cushing, Oklahoma, oil storage hub.


Here are some possible paths the plan could take if it is approved.

LIKELIEST: STATE COMPROMISES, EPA SATISFIED

In July, the EPA asked the State Department to revise its environmental impact statement on the pipeline to consider greenhouse gas emissions, other environmental concerns and pipeline safety.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hinted in October her department was "inclined" to approve the line on energy security grounds. Since then a senior State Department official said approval is not a foregone conclusion.

Full article here


WTF is a duct?  Another word for pipeline?

Last I heard, the issue with oil sands was the energy required to extract it.

Please tell me that the line about the EPA worrying about de-emphasis of electric cars, is not true.  Where do they think that electricity COMES from? 

About 90% of it...coal. The US and Canada are the Saudi and Iraq of coal.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 5:24:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Maybe, just maybe, we should be drilling our own oil ?


Yes, because the oil extracted in the US is sold to us below market value.  Oh wait that would be a big NO!  That is unless you want the Government to put price caps on domestic oil. 

There are many reasons to be more self sufficient.  Some idiotic belief that the price of domestic oil would somehow not follow the market price is not one of them.






rulemylife -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 5:43:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


How many of you have heard about this

quote:

SCENARIOS-Obama admin divided over Canada oil sands pipe

Feb 15 (Reuters) - The Obama administration is divided over a proposed pipeline that would ease U.S. reliance on oil from unstable regions but boost dependence on Canada's oil sands which are deemed environmentally unfriendly by green groups. TransCanada Corp (TRP.TO), the company hoping to build the $7 billion-plus Keystone XL pipeline extension, expects the State Department to approve the project in the second half of 2011.


A U.S. decision had originally been expected in the first half of the year. The State Department would not immediately comment.

The oil from the duct would help cut U.S. dependence on imports from Venezuela and Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia.

The Environmental Protection Agency, however, is concerned by the greenhouse gas emissions from production of Alberta's tarry oil sands and worried that the petroleum bounty could undermine U.S. plans to make cars more efficient and electrify more vehicles in coming decades.

TransCanada hopes the 510,000 barrel-per-day pipeline, which would stretch from Canada to refineries in Texas and Louisiana, will begin operating sometime in 2013. It wants to build a link from the proposed line so that oil drilled in the northern United States could also be shipped to the huge Cushing, Oklahoma, oil storage hub.


Here are some possible paths the plan could take if it is approved.

LIKELIEST: STATE COMPROMISES, EPA SATISFIED

In July, the EPA asked the State Department to revise its environmental impact statement on the pipeline to consider greenhouse gas emissions, other environmental concerns and pipeline safety.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hinted in October her department was "inclined" to approve the line on energy security grounds. Since then a senior State Department official said approval is not a foregone conclusion.

Full article here




Have you heard that we already receive the majority of our oil from Canada?


Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries




Aneirin -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 7:00:42 AM)

Just out of interest, of the price you pay at the pump, how much of that cost is tax, has your tax increased, or is the increased cost purely down to the oil companies and their sellers ?

The reason I ask, is we in the UK know despite the increase in the cost of a barrel of oil, we are also getting screwed over by our government in the form of fuel duty and value added tax. The tax being the larger part of the cost we pay at the pump.
The breakdown as of August 2007 is; Forecourt - 5%, Oil cost - 32%, Taxation - 63%. Every government budget, they hike the tax on gas, and not only vehicle gas, but heating oil as well. We know our government is fucking us over and we know they never commit to their electioneering promises, that is why we don't trust them.




Marc2b -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 7:04:38 AM)

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Yes, because the oil extracted in the US is sold to us below market value. Oh wait that would be a big NO! That is unless you want the Government to put price caps on domestic oil.

There are many reasons to be more self sufficient. Some idiotic belief that the price of domestic oil would somehow not follow the market price is not one of them.


Yeah... because an increase in supply NEVER has any affect on prices. [8|]

People! Listen up! The “solution” to the oil problem is not green energy nor is it “drill baby drill!” It’s both! Green energy is in its’ infancy. It is a long way from solving our energy problems. Prospects may look good but there is still more research needed followed by implementation. So what do we do until then? We drill! We do not need to provide all of our domestic needs ourselves, we just need to offset imported oil. If the foreign suppliers restrict (or cannot meet) our supply, then we turn up our taps a bit to offset that.

So yes, let’s invest in green energy. Let’s fund the research and give tax breaks to encourage implementation AND let’s drill! Break out the pumps! Alaska! North Dakota! Wherever! Besides, it not like this economy couldn’t use some new jobs.






flcouple2009 -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 7:16:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
Yeah... because an increase in supply NEVER has any affect on prices. [8|]


Absolutely none when the price is being driven over speculation rather than actual supply.






CreativeDominant -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 7:19:02 AM)

In the U. S., the price breakdown per dollar...per gallon...is this:

Distribution and Marketing: $ .11 per dollar $ .33 per gallon
Refining: $ . 7 per dollar $ .21 per gallon
Crude Oil: $ . 67 per dollar $ 2.01 per gallon
Taxes: $ . 15. per dollar $ .45 per gallon

Keep in mind: "Taxes - Federal and state governments each place excise taxes on gasoline. There may also be some additional taxes, such as applicable state sales taxes, gross receipts taxes, oil inspection fees, underground storage tank fees and other miscellaneous environmental fees. Add that to the state excise taxes, and it can average 27.4 cents. It could be worse. In Europe, gas prices are far higher than in America because taxes on gas are much higher.

For more, read here: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/gas-price1.htm




Marc2b -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 7:19:38 AM)

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Absolutely none when the price is being driven over speculation rather than actual supply.


And an increase in supply doesn't affect speculation... how?







flcouple2009 -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 7:34:41 AM)

You tell me.  When oil was racing to $150 a barrel where was the actual shortage?

As was pointed out by the OP we get almost nothing from Libya.  So why then should any worry about their production cause our price to go up?  Speculation on the world market sets the price.

Are you suggesting the US oil producers won't follow the market price?  That say Exxon is going to get patriotic and sell oil from a well in Texas to the refinery for $50 a barrel even if the market price is $100 a barrel. 

Being self sufficient would guarantee the supply not the price.




DomYngBlk -> RE: Big oil sticking it to us (2/23/2011 7:40:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Here in St Louis our gas price per gallon has jumped 11 cents per gallon today and is expected to jump maybe as high as 53 cents per gallon over the next few months…. Why… they say because of the fear that oil from Libya may be interrupted.

What crap.. Why do we keep putting up with these asshole speculators using any excuse to skyrocket the cost of gasoline?

Libya is a minor contributor to our oil supply… less then ½ of 1 percent no problem at all to replace with other sources. Yes I could see a .05 percent increase but not 15 percent.

Something needs to done while we still have to power to demand change.

Butch


Wait, I thought you were all for free market capitalism.....Oh, I get it...for it only when it works in your favor....Typical




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