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Lucylastic -> Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/23/2011 10:49:32 AM)

Statement of the Attorney General on Litigation Involving the Defense of Marriage Act WASHINGTON – The Attorney General made the following statement today about the Department’s course of action in two lawsuits, Pedersen v. OPM and Windsor v. United States, challenging Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines marriage for federal purposes as only between a man and a woman:   In the two years since this Administration took office, the Department of Justice has defended Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act on several occasions in federal court.   Each of those cases evaluating Section 3 was considered in jurisdictions in which binding circuit court precedents hold that laws singling out people based on sexual orientation, as DOMA does, are constitutional if there is a rational basis for their enactment.   While the President opposes DOMA and believes it should be repealed, the Department has defended it in court because we were able to advance reasonable arguments under that rational basis standard.     Section 3 of DOMA has now been challenged in the Second Circuit, however, which has no established or binding standard for how laws concerning sexual orientation should be treated.   In these cases, the Administration faces for the first time the question of whether laws regarding sexual orientation are subject to the more permissive standard of review or whether a more rigorous standard, under which laws targeting minority groups with a history of discrimination are viewed with suspicion by the courts, should apply.   After careful consideration, including a review of my recommendation, the President has concluded that given a number of factors, including a documented history of discrimination, classifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny.   The President has also concluded that Section 3 of DOMA, as applied to legally married same-sex couples, fails to meet that standard and is therefore unconstitutional.   Given that conclusion, the President has instructed the Department not to defend the statute in such cases.   I fully concur with the President’s determination.


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mnottertail -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/23/2011 10:53:32 AM)

Talk about the nutsuckers having a bad week, oh well...it's hump day.  Wonder if they are holding prayer vigils for divine intervention and a skip of thursday right to the weekend.




LaTigresse -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/23/2011 11:10:45 AM)

Things sure don't seem to be turning out quite as some hoped they would.




tazzygirl -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/23/2011 1:21:01 PM)

An EXTREMELY interesting election season soon to come!




TheHeretic -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/23/2011 5:59:22 PM)

The divorce lawyers must be jumping for joy.




Sanity -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 6:24:38 AM)


Someone in the Obama regime was very creative in coming up with this because prior to now it was assumed that it was the presidents job as chief law enforcement officer in the land is to enforce and defend the nations laws.

All of them.

Presumably, future presidents will only defend or enforce laws they agree with, which will be a significant departure from long held tradition.

The Black Panther voter intimidation case was similar in that one would assume that a president would uphold all laws, for all citizens (as in uphold THE law).

If this new tradition holds, from here on we shall have kings, rather than presidents.








joether -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 6:50:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Someone in the Obama regime was very creative in coming up with this because prior to now it was assumed that it was the presidents job as chief law enforcement officer in the land is to enforce and defend the nations laws.

All of them.

Presumably, future presidents will only defend or enforce laws they agree with, which will be a significant departure from long held tradition.

The Black Panther voter intimidation case was similar in that one would assume that a president would uphold all laws, for all citizens (as in uphold THE law).

If this new tradition holds, from here on we shall have kings, rather than presidents.


How many signing statements did former President George W. Bush authorized? Tell us Mr. Well-of-Knowledge, what are 'Signing Statements'?




rulemylife -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 7:58:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Someone in the Obama regime was very creative in coming up with this because prior to now it was assumed that it was the presidents job as chief law enforcement officer in the land is to enforce and defend the nations laws.

All of them.

Presumably, future presidents will only defend or enforce laws they agree with, which will be a significant departure from long held tradition.

The Black Panther voter intimidation case was similar in that one would assume that a president would uphold all laws, for all citizens (as in uphold THE law).

If this new tradition holds, from here on we shall have kings, rather than presidents.



Can you possibly stray any further into fantasyland?

Document for me that the President is " the chief law enforcement officer in the land".

I guess we just do away with the judicial branch seeing how we have one sheriff in charge.







Moonhead -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 8:08:24 AM)

There's that scene at the end of Jonah Hex where Abe offers him the job as Sherfiff for the whole country. Maybe that's what In's thinking of?




flcouple2009 -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 8:22:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
How many signing statements did former President George W. Bush authorized? Tell us Mr. Well-of-Knowledge, what are 'Signing Statements'?


Facts?  You are trying to use facts with Sanity?

Good luck with that




DomKen -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 9:25:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Someone in the Obama regime was very creative in coming up with this because prior to now it was assumed that it was the presidents job as chief law enforcement officer in the land is to enforce and defend the nations laws.

Are you really claiming that this is the first time an administration has declined to defend a law in court?

quote:

The Black Panther voter intimidation case was similar in that one would assume that a president would uphold all laws, for all citizens (as in uphold THE law).

As has been pointed out to you many many times before your beloved Bush administration was the one who couldn't even make something up to prosecute in this matter.





Lucylastic -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 10:44:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Someone in the Obama regime was very creative in coming up with this because prior to now it was assumed that it was the presidents job as chief law enforcement officer in the land is to enforce and defend the nations laws.

All of them.

Presumably, future presidents will only defend or enforce laws they agree with, which will be a significant departure from long held tradition.

The Black Panther voter intimidation case was similar in that one would assume that a president would uphold all laws, for all citizens (as in uphold THE law).

If this new tradition holds, from here on we shall have kings, rather than presidents.







As I read this, I had unicorns dance across the page.





eihwaz -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 11:05:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Someone in the Obama regime was very creative in coming up with this because prior to now it was assumed that it was the presidents job as chief law enforcement officer in the land is to enforce and defend the nations laws.

The administration will continue to enforce the law, just not defend it in judicial appeals.  This is an executive branch prerogative, even if rarely invoked.  And then there are those GWB signing statements...

"chief law enforcement officer" -- I thought that was the USAG.




Sanity -> RE: Administration wont Defend DOMA in court (2/24/2011 11:06:42 AM)


Who serves the president [8|]

quote:

ORIGINAL: eihwaz

"chief law enforcement officer" -- I thought that was the USAG.





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