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Cuckoo in Congress - 2/26/2011 7:39:43 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		It's still way too soon to go after the brain-damaged Dems on Capitol Hill (though I hope Rep. Giffords makes the sort of amazing full recovery that will make it possible) but here's a crazy one, who doesn't believe his mental health issues are anything his constituents need to concern themselves with.

Ore. congressman says mental health not job issue

What say you? Does he need to be a lot more forthcoming about how his illness, or his treatment, may affect his ability to do his job? Is his privacy more important than properly informing the people he works for?

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/26/2011 7:53:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't read the link, don't care to...but speaking from the inside (so to speak)...yes any public servant in a position of power MUST be totally forthcoming about their mental health issues....personally I think I'd make a great MP, but my mental health issues are such that I really cannot be trusted...I am not sane and thus cannot really be trusted to make decisions that affect the lives of millions...its that simple. If this guy has mental health issues then the ONLY responsible thing for him to do is resign and allow the people to elect a "sane" (no matter how wacky) person to represent them.

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/26/2011 10:26:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw that article. I do believe he needs to resign and get his own health back in order.

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 7:17:47 AM   
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It's still way too soon to go after the brain-damaged Dems on Capitol Hill

This is way too far no matter what temporizing you tried to put after it.

I'll keep this disgusting sentence handy for when ever you next claim to be disgusted with the left over something trivial.

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 8:24:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you are going to bookmark, Ken, you might do better to go back to the original thread on the subject, where I made the same joke much earlier. I have no doubt that if you do bring it up again, you'll leave out the part where I'm hoping her recovery is complete enough to go back to her job in DC.

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 8:42:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		If we are to question every politicians mental health, the good news would be they would all  be gone 

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 8:46:43 AM   
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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 10:56:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		If his mental health was shaky enough to cause a break with reality, then he should resign.

On the other hand, I bet Bobby Franklin thinks his mental state is just fine (see "Just When You Thought Things Couldn't Get Any Crazier", P &R). Between the two, to a laywoman who has never met either, I'd say go with tiger-boy (Wu).

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 11:05:31 AM   
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If you are going to bookmark, Ken, you might do better to go back to the original thread on the subject, where I made the same joke much earlier. I have no doubt that if you do bring it up again, you'll leave out the part where I'm hoping her recovery is complete enough to go back to her job in DC.

You're pathetic. You make the nasty little jab and then try to take it back.

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 11:36:05 AM   
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You're pathetic. You make the nasty little jab and then try to take it back.



Gallows humor escapes you as much as any other kind, Ken. Got a thought on the responsibility of this elected official to his constuency?

Here's a more detailed article you can work from. It even has emails for you to find nothing in. You'll love it!

http://wweek.com/portland/article-16993-strange_wu.html

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 12:32:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it is entirely pointless to be speculating on the matter until some proof is available.

Of course if you want to start speculating on the mental health of Congresspeople wouldn't it be wiser to worry about a senior Congressman serving in the single constitutional office in the House who apparently has an emotional issue?

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 12:45:13 PM   
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I think it is entirely pointless to be speculating on the matter until some proof is available.


So what then, Ken? His admission that he is suffering from mental health issues is just anecdotal, not evidence?

Don't worry. It's a safe seat.

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 4:13:43 PM   
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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 4:52:50 PM   
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I think it is entirely pointless to be speculating on the matter until some proof is available.


So what then, Ken? His admission that he is suffering from mental health issues is just anecdotal, not evidence?

Don't worry. It's a safe seat.

Has he said what the issues are? Are you really willing to argue that anyone with a mental health diagnosis of any kind should be ineligible to hold public office?

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 6:38:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Read a link, Hill. The first one is shorter, the second more detailed. We already have one participant who won't bother. If he had, he'd be aware that this condition was serious enough, and obvious enough, that his campaign staff felt the need to intervene, and resign.



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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/27/2011 9:00:14 PM   
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Are you really willing to argue that anyone with a mental health diagnosis of any kind should be ineligible to hold public office?



Huh? I've said I think he needs to be forthcoming with his constituents, a few other have said he should resign. The only person raising the subject of this becoming a rule of ineligibility for office is you.

I bet you'd like that as a bar, though. Just have the right pshrinks declare the questioning of global warming is a diagnosable psychosis, and voila.




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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/28/2011 9:36:17 AM   
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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/28/2011 9:53:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		On one hand, I don't know why anyone on the right would wait for any generally agreed on socially acceptable waiting period to go after brain damaged democrats, I assure you we wasted no time in going after Reagan, W, Jim Brady, Bachmann, Palin, McCain, Lincoln and various and sundry other republican brain damaged...

On the other hand, a Sen. Eagleton served and was questioned about mental health issues over his role as a VP.   And by god, as a military man, I would be outraged that someone who was a long term POW like Sen. McCain wouldn't have at least been given the option of a driveby at the shrinks office, and find it a dereliction of American duty to its veterans.

Having said that, I don't think that Rich is advocating anything untoward here, and find myself in some casual agreement with him.

I don't think that the kodak Tigger pictures was the sort of outcome we would envision as a clarifying theraputic moment, and he might need to go take a lie down for a while and relieve some stress.  Let somebody else take one for the Gipper for a time.

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/28/2011 10:07:06 AM   
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Read a link, Hill. The first one is shorter, the second more detailed. We already have one participant who won't bother. If he had, he'd be aware that this condition was serious enough, and obvious enough, that his campaign staff felt the need to intervene, and resign.



I had already read the story a day or 2 earlier on another source.

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RE: Cuckoo in Congress - 2/28/2011 4:19:29 PM   
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Does he need to be a lot more forthcoming about how his illness, or his treatment, may affect his ability to do his job?


Of course he does.

But people also need to understand 'mental illness'.   1st, it has no agreed lines or definitions, and is judged entirely by anybody's opinion of whether he's maladapted or not - look at DSM clinical diagnostic standards, and notice that there are no measurements, only conclusions - and notably there is no criteria for when something becomes a problem - and the answer is simple - "how do you feel about that?"

Most likely, this guy has been in therapy, which can be ANYTHING.   If he's been on psychiatric meds (which are often prescribed for the asking) it would  be a larger concern.    

ANYBODY can walk in and dump their problems on a shrink and walk out with a diagnosis of mental illness.  In fact, the DSM has a diagnosis for "personality disorder not otherwise specified".

My view would be, judge the fellow by what he does, like everybody else.   Mentally ill may be the best we can do these days.

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