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Petplay != Petplay - 2/28/2011 5:48:40 AM   
AriesHausdorff


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Status: offline 		Question of curiosity:
Petplay is widely spread in the lifestyle. Doggiegirls are their owners pride.
Due to personal experiences I know that I enjoy petplay, too, and look forward to find my doggiegirl one day.
However, whilst there is on average a pretty relaxed approach to the different individual approaches to the various kinks I got a 'pile of bile'(tm) remarks when I mentioned that I do think that a proper doggygirl not only needs a buttplug-tail to wag, but also a soft fake fur suit to really grow into her role.

I had a pretty related case a long time ago, and there it boilded down that it would be mistaken for bestiality; though I fail to see where a doggiegirl on a leash could happen to provide such means.
Or am I just too precisely aware of the diferences between humans and dogs as I grew up with dogs that my observations are too attuned ?

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 2/28/2011 7:04:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think most people would see that as a fursuit, and the general assumption of fursuiters is that they want to be animals, or fuck animals, or some combination. i don't have experience, or know enough about the fursuit/furry subculture to be able to say anything.
but i imagine it's the same as those who enjoy age play, particularly ABs, regressors and others who literally dress up like babies/children, and have sex. a lot of people assume that's a way to act out tendencies towards pedophilia. same "don't know, haven't experienced" clause applies here. (and of course, not all petplay or AB/ageplay relationships even include sex. some of them are just about the interaction, in a totally non-sexual way -- but the assumptions are still made.)
assumptions about BDSM in general tend to latch onto ideas of "man-hating FemDoms" and "men who want to beat their wives" or "girls with daddy and/or self-harming issues." Goreans have their own bunch of assumptions they have to deal with, too -- "they're living in a fantasy world," or "what kind of dork would base his life on a fictional book?"

no matter who you are or how you play, there are a lot of "common assumptions," and you'll just have to deal with them or ignore them. just how the world works. as long as you're playing with a consenting adult, find your brand of happiness, and stick with it.




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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/1/2011 7:35:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		As long as you do nothing illegal, and you truly don't have sex with actual animals, just don't worry about it. A lot of people will not understand your point of view no matter what you say to them. In their mind, they have their image of the scene and they think they are right. So as long as it is an actual female under that suit, you and your mind is fine. Once you touch an actual dog though... then you have to start thinking if it's the right thing.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/2/2011 5:22:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I might be the resident pet play expert here, so I'll try to explain.  Furries are not animals and do not consider themselves to be animals.  They are furries.  It's not the same as age play because the point is not to play the part of an animal, but to be your "fursona".  I'm not a furry, so I can't explain from a personal perspective, but I know quite a bit about them because there is a lot of crossover between furries and pets.

As for the fursuit, some people will be ok with that and some won't.  Not all furries are pets, and not all pets are furries.  I am a pet, and when I can afford a suit it will be zentai or latex (or, more likely, both).  Alpha is a rubber dog as well.  I will never wear a fursuit, and I'm absolutely sure that having a fursuit on would not only not help me reach my pupspace, but would distract me and keep me from reaching it.  It would feel very unnatural for me.  Never make assumptions about how a dog reaches his or her space - you might like fursuits, but the dog might not.

The most helpful toys and tools for me to help me reach my space are a dog hood, bed and bowls, and chew toys.  I have a tail, but it ties on with a cord so I can't always wear it.  If you end up finding a pupgirl of your own (and good luck with that, there aren't many of us and we're mostly taken) talk to her and find out what she needs, and what helps her reach her pupspace.  She might be flexible, but then again she might not.  Figure out what you can bend on and what you can't, and compromise with her from there.  It's just like any BDSM relationship that way.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/2/2011 6:53:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		i wasn't saying they were alike, just that those are the assumptions people make about them.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/6/2011 7:34:38 AM   
AriesHausdorff


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Status: offline 		Okay, that was one of the most comprehensive set of replies I got.

In the furry fandom it is - maybe understandably - focused on the "we are right, don't care about the rest as they don't understand the differences", but with you all NOT being "furries" it is nice to read that the same problems do exist within the other departments of the BDSM realm.

Phewww! It's just maybe that furries are such extroverts they they speak more often about any problems they run into that they were the only group I so far found any references for my little issue.
I never ran across any posts in either NNTP or Webforums where Ponygirls and -boys were accused of sex with horses, which I would have expected, but, *pointing up* Maybe the pony-community is sufficiently more aloof to not bother about such remarks. I need to be more calm then, okay.

Feel yourselves hugged: Thank you!

And MaxsGirl:
I'd also settle for a snowleopardess ( fun for bodypainting ) , tigress, Jackal-girl ( Ideal for pure rubber fetish! ) or some snuggle demoness ( Nice for rubber and PVC ), or maybe a ladyzebra. I am not picky as to the "species" of my lady, as long as she is some wild minx and not some boring "lay flat, don't move, just let it happen" type.


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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/6/2011 8:50:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I do have a fursona (furry persona). My friend got me into it more and more over the years. But everything I have said is true. Just because we are furries, does not mean we go and do it with animals. For us it just symbolises how we act and such, well at least for me. Of course I am sure there are some furries and nonfurries that would do this kind of a thing, but do not put a whole group in there. Hopefully you got the answers you were looking for.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/7/2011 6:23:04 AM   
AriesHausdorff


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Status: offline 		Yepp , good Gentlefur, indeed, I got them.
Besides:
Nice to make the acquaintance of one from the furred folks on here.
Do you happen to frequent Second Life?

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/7/2011 9:52:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I didn't actually expect to find too many other furries here. They tend to get their own site. 

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/7/2011 10:15:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AriesHausdorff
it is nice to read that the same problems do exist within the other departments of the BDSM realm.

Oh, they do. I've dropped the labels because I'm sick and tired of being told I'm not doing <insert label here> right.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/7/2011 5:19:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		That makes you much more of a furry enthusiast than a pet play one. Most people who want to get in touch with their puppy or kitten sides don't really care about the outfit. It's rolling around on the floor, being petted and so on. 

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/7/2011 5:47:29 PM   
rick1283


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

That makes you much more of a furry enthusiast than a pet play one. Most people who want to get in touch with their puppy or kitten sides don't really care about the outfit. It's rolling around on the floor, being petted and so on. 


I'm going to have to quote DesFIP here for the truthfulness of the post.
I would probably put you a "curious" more than an actual fur right now, though.
But thats better than the weirdos that say they are furry just because they like the porn.


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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/10/2011 2:46:46 PM   
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It doesn't matter what other people think if both you and her like the roleplaying you do together. Safe, Sane, Consential.

I love having a pet sub. It can be really fun for both.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/10/2011 6:40:54 PM   
MaxsGirl


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

That makes you much more of a furry enthusiast than a pet play one. Most people who want to get in touch with their puppy or kitten sides don't really care about the outfit. It's rolling around on the floor, being petted and so on. 


Absolutely.  Though there are certain accessories that make it easier for me to get into my pupspace.  My tail, for example - I just feel different when I have it on.  But you're right, not having it doesn't mean I can't get into pupspace.  I'm what I am all the time, regardless of what I'm wearing.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/10/2011 6:52:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AriesHausdorff

I had a pretty related case a long time ago, and there it boilded down that it would be mistaken for bestiality; though I fail to see where a doggiegirl on a leash could happen to provide such means.


Greetings,

Let's begin by clearly noting that there's a big difference between dressing as an animal and being mounted by one. The individual can do one, the other, or even both, but they are worlds apart in context. Secondly, the connection is made for valid reasons. Couples who engage in bestiality may train the girl to embrace her inner pup. While she may appear similar to the enthusiast in outward appearance, the internal makeup is vastly different. She is groomed to assume the role of his bitch. To be a convincing piece she needs to see and embrace the role wholeheartedly.

That includes and goes well beyond physical interaction. The mating is rather primal and she often has a bowl, tail, leash, and newspaper for bathroom purposes if she isn't going outdoors. She'll sit in a particular position (back on haunches), isn't usually allowed on furniture, and may be disciplined in the same manner that the dog would receive. For some this is continuous and others a role they embrace when instructed. However, they're far from the norm and represent a subculture in that segment. Most people involved don't go to that extreme. They may include behavioral conditioning but the costuming is very ymmv.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/27/2011 9:31:45 AM   
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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/27/2011 10:29:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Aries
The "pile of bile" you received may have also been related to the word "proper"--it's one of those hot button words-- like "real" or "true".
I had a "doggirl" for awhile, and she was definitely able to embrace her persona without the need of a fake fur suit or a buttplug tail.  If that's what you need to fulfill that fantasy, then you just need to find the right pup to make it work.

Mine?  She had a pair of ears, a collar and leash, a bowl and some chew toys.  The ears were mostly for "fun"-- having her on all fours, collared at the end of my leash--drinking out of a bowl....   *that* put her in puppy-space. (not to mention other doggy-style activities) Fake fur wouldn't have worked for either of us in the least.

keep looking and good luck!

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 3/27/2011 2:27:41 PM   
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I think it's just a matter of finding the right doggiegirl to match your needs. Just because she is/is not wearing a furry suit and a doggietail buttplug does not mean she will or won't be mounted by a real canine. I used to be a pony girl. I did have the bit gag and reins, harness, and ponytail buttplug, but I did not have the horsey "hooves" or ears. It worked fine for us. I think there is just too much closed minded "one-twue-wayism" and ignorance out there. I would just ignore them cause they will argue until the end of time since they have to have the last word, thinking their way is the only right way.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 4/24/2011 9:24:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me at least, I like having my ears and tails. They do help me for more serious play, but even without them I feel like my animal.

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RE: Petplay != Petplay - 4/24/2011 9:38:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I actually make cat ears that i sell at anime conventions or at least will in about a month and a half since that will be the first time selling them. People seem to really enjoy them and think they are cute even if they aren't furries. like with a lot of things i am assuming the stuff you use can aid but isn't always needed.

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