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texasbutterfly -> RE: the more i read, the more confused i get!!! (5/5/2006 10:26:19 AM)

i really appreciate everyone's input.  i think most of my problem is over thinking my situation and not being patient enough to just let it happen. 

as for the sub vs doormat issue...i want to serve and be controlled by someone...not stomped on until there is nothing left of me.

thank you so much for the advice. i have enjoyed the boards and hope to stick around.




CanadianGuy -> RE: the more i read, the more confused i get!!! (5/5/2006 11:30:17 AM)

I see those who put "I'm not a doormat" in their profile are often saying "I don't really know what I'm doing, and I'm scared, confused, and don't know my limits".  I try and stay away from people who say they aren't doormats - not because I want a doormat, but because those people tend to not be worth getting to know, for me.  That's just me though, and there are exceptions.




LadiesBladewing -> RE: the more i read, the more confused i get!!! (5/5/2006 7:34:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: texasbutterfly

i know many of you will shake your head when i get around to asking this, but what do you consider the difference is between a submissive/slave and a doormat.  if my Master tells me to do something, i am going to do it...whether i want to or not. i don't know my limits so it is hard to say what they are. 

i know this thread does not make any sense and is not well thought out.  does anybody have any advice?


To me, the difference between a servant and a doormat is the point at which you stop thinking about what you're doing. Maybe this is personal preference, but I like to have those who answer to me make the -choice- to obey each and every time... If they don't understand why I've asked for something, or they don't feel right about something I've asked them to do, I want them to -respectfully- let me know that they're uncomfortable or uncertain. That way, when they -do- obey (which they most always do, once I've clarified they whys and wherefores -- even if they don't LIKE it... because they -know- inside themselves it is the right thing to do), I know that they are obeying fully, from the depths of themselves, despite the discomfort and despite the desire to do otherwise.

Sometimes, a servant won't obey... I want to know -why-. "I didn't want to" isnt' a good reason, and a poor attitude won't keep you in service to us longer than it takes for the door to hit you in the ass on the way out... but if there was a legitimate reason -- especially related to information I didn't have and they couldn't share -before- the command was to be fulfilled, I respect that they are thinking, reasoning people. There will still be discipline -- but it will be designed to educate a servant into how to handle situations like that if they come about again without needing to be completely disobedient... and it will educate ME as much as it educates them.

When you stop thinking, and mindlessly obey, you become a puppet to someone else's goals and motives. Service and Ownership are two sides of a coin.. they have to work synergistically, for the benefit of everyone involved, or the whole relationship decays. There is -nothing- wrong with complete obedience. I had the pleasure of having a relationship when I -served- in this household that meant that I -could- obey completely... but I thought it through each and every time... even if it was just in the back of my mind as I -did- what I was told... and the ones I served -expected- that of me... and of all of those that I trained to serve under me, and all of those that we welcomed as newcomers.. and on, and on. If you reach the point where you're no longer discriminating, and you've let go of your ethics, and you've stopped asking whether your owner's boundaries are boundaries that you can live with having be -your- boundaries... then you've reached the point where you run the risk of looking at yourself and seeing a "doormat". As long as you are asking the questions, and thinking through the process... no matter how deeply you obey, you're ok.

Lady Zephyr




texasbutterfly -> RE: the more i read, the more confused i get!!! (5/5/2006 7:39:09 PM)

thank you so much for that explanation. it made so much sense to me and cleared up some questions i had.  i appreciate your time and effort in answering.




sweetbbwsub31 -> RE: the more i read, the more confused i get!!! (5/5/2006 9:04:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear Texasbutterfly, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Discovering yourself does not end at reading books.  Although they are great references, I see you are in Texas, my former slave of two years is near DFW Texas, he said they had several groups in Texas.  So, you may want to do an online inquiry "BDSM Texas" as to find a local group.
 
The second thing, I would recommend considering in your thought process, is how does it make you feel in obedience? In service?  Will you know when you hit your limits?  What limits have you drawn?  I hope boundary is something you can do, as not to go too fast too soon.  As soon as you grow, then boundaries can change.  I also recommend following your "gut" instincts.  Most times they are right.
 
Third thing, I would recommend on considering in your thought process is, what do you want a D/s (Dominant/submissive) or M/s (Master/slave) and or BDSM (Bondage, Discipline, Sadomasochism) to do for you?  Is it healing a wounded heart?  Is it giving you a hug, as you are so lonely, feeling depressed, low self esteem?  What part of this dynamic as M/s calls to you?  Most times people seek out a D/s relationship for healing, to put themselves in a submissive frame since they feel worthless anyway, so they feel they are no better than abused slaves, etc.  Is it, a case of where you seemingly can't attract men on your own, so perhaps through slave sex, you appeal to men better perhaps?  What is in the mindset or your mental chat with yourself?  Perhaps, you wish power but, really don't know how to find it and once found, how to use it to the positive.  Perhaps you are a loving soul, just so frustrated in not finding someone, like a man to appreciate that side of you?  So what your mind speaks is really an important part of you also. 
 
Forth thing worth consideration, is knowing that emotional, mental and spiritual scars are invisible to those outside.  With online interaction, e.g. cyber scenes, web cam, phone scenes; the dominant will not have the benefit of seeing the body language.  It is easy to find yourself "hurt" and "wounded" so, protect that side of you.  Unfortunately, anybody now days can call themself Master, Mistress, SIR, etc.  It does not mean that they are qualified.  They may mean well or they may be enticing you for the wrong reason, so follow your gut instincts. 
 
Fifth thing worth mentioning.  Communication, communication, communication.  Respect is earned and not demanded.  It is different to recognize the D/s authority structure that keeps the line between Dominant/submissive established and maintained.  By giving power to a dominant, you enable them to have power from you and draw it from you.  So, be sure the dominant is a good custodian of your power.  The more positive he is the better it will be.  More cruel, negative the more you are on egg shells.  But, if anything else is forgotten -- Never iscolate yourself from family, friends, like minded individuals.  Compare notes with others and gain as much knowledge to add to your personal power as possible.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 
 
 


Lady Hugs,
 
i wonder if i may ask for some clarification on your views of the submissive mind. Your third suggestion of considering her thought process came off to me as you stating that a sub is someone who is submissive because they need to be healed in some way.  Please explain.
 
thank you,
 
sub tara




MissDiandSirHugh -> RE: the more i read, the more confused i get!!! (5/5/2006 9:49:46 PM)

Texasbutterfly we to know your feeling of isolation as like you we live 5 hours from any main city and can tell you in being like that we have lernt a geat deal of patience which you shall learn from your localaty to where you can be with others.
It will be mixed with lots of frustration and confusion as you are now but as you wait for the time when you can get to a munch or a group your frustracion and confusion will shrink into obblivion and be replaced with extasy.
Advice on being what you are has been given to you by others much beter than we can so would not even try to add anything to it.
Just keep going strong and never look back but always keep your eye on the horizon as that is where you will end up and find exactly what you are and exactly what you want to be with the one who wants you in their life.
Take care and be safe at all times both in this life style and the other one.




MsMacComb -> RE: the more i read, the more confused i get!!! (5/6/2006 1:26:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: texasbutterfly

i am new to the boards and new to the lifestyle, so first off i apologize if i am reasking a question that has been beat into the ground.  i have been given some good advice on this site about being true to myself and knowing myself.... however, i am still trying to figure out who that is.

what i am confused about is this.  as a submissive/slave i have a really hard time telling a dom/domme no.  i have a really hard time saying don't do this or don't do that.  yet, so many of the other submissive/slave profiles do exactly that.

adding to the problem is the fact that i live out in the middle of nowhere. i cannot get any real time experience, attend community gatherings and such without driving hours and hours to get there.

i have found a Master to train me online and that is going very well.  i am getting to explore and learn about myself. 

i know many of you will shake your head when i get around to asking this, but what do you consider the difference is between a submissive/slave and a doormat.  if my Master tells me to do something, i am going to do it...whether i want to or not. i don't know my limits so it is hard to say what they are. 

i know this thread does not make any sense and is not well thought out.  does anybody have any advice?
 

Don't over analyze things. Buying books, reading articles, talking to others can give you ideas but ultimately thats what applies to them in their lives and may not have anything to do with you. Decide what, how, when and why you want things and then just go out and get it. [:)]




Dustyn -> RE: the more i read, the more confused i get!!! (5/6/2006 3:06:39 AM)

Just keep one thing in mind when reading anything about bdsm online... it's all opinion... sometimes backed up with a lifetime of experience on the topic, sometimes, just opinions thrown out at random off of a gut reaction...

Take it all with a grain of salt, use what you can, and find yer own way to do it... eventually, you'll find folks that mesh with how you enjoy doing things... but nothing in this whole menagerie is set in stone except being careful... keep yer eyes and ears open... just don't let people dictate to you that this how things are done, and it's the only way to do it... there is ALWAYS another way, if you think about it hard enough...

Just my opinion, though... *handing over the salt shaker*

- Dustyn




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