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Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 8:24:07 AM

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So Tea Party favorite TX State Rep Debbie Riddle wants to make hiring an illegal worker punishable by up to 2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. UNLESS that is they are a maid, caretaker, lawn worker, or any of type of "house worker".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110302/ts_yblog_thelookout/proposed-texas-immigration-law-contains-convenient-loophole-for-the-help

I guess that means we want to be tough but at the same time we don't want to give up our maids, nannies, or lawn guys. What is a house worker? Does that cover the guy painting your house? What about the one laying tile? Does lawn worker just mean the one cutting the grass or is it OK to lay the irrigation?

"Jon English, Rep. Riddle's chief of staff explained that the exemption was an attempt to avoid "stifling the economic engine" in Texas"

Maids and lawn workers are what fuels the economy in Texas? I thought illegals only sucked money off the government. Now they tell us they are what makes the clock tick.

This is even more absurd.

"As Texas state Rep. Aaron Pena, also a Republican, told CNN, without the exemption, "a large segment of the Texas population" would wind up in prison if the bill became law."

"When it comes to household employees or yard workers it is extremely common for Texans to hire people who are likely undocumented workers," Pena told the news giant. "It is so common it is overlooked."

That never stopped us from filling the prisons with petty drug offenders on mandatory sentences. So what now? If a certain percentage of the population violates a law we no longer enforce it or just exempt then all together?

If that's the case why bother with the "illegals".

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 8:32:27 AM

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That's why Reagan and Bush pushed amnesty programs.

It's really hard to find good help these days.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 8:39:13 AM

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If any Democrat there had half a brain, he would be ripping the GOP for giving a free pass to the idle rich with their hired help while the guys who run companies and hire productive workers and might occasionally have an illegal slip through have to go through this malarkey. Start painting the GOP as anti-business and see what happens.

And FFS, there's a HUGE difference between never asking for papers and for being fooled with faked ones.

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"As Texas state Rep. Aaron Pena, also a Republican, told CNN, without the exemption, "a large segment of the Texas population" would wind up in prison if the bill became law."

"When it comes to household employees or yard workers it is extremely common for Texans to hire people who are likely undocumented workers," Pena told the news giant. "It is so common it is overlooked."

So lemme get this straight. The idea is to make it illegal to hire illegals. But you can't make it apply to most of the people who hire illegals because it is a widespread practice. Huh?

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 8:55:39 AM

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Question. Have there been any studies undertaken to find out the number of undocumented aliens who are nuclear physicists or CEOs of fortune 500 companies?

I mean this low paid work that americans wouldn't deign to do, cutting cabbage, digging out dandilions....is this a new phenomena, or has it been going on for some time?

And money issues aside, isn't this why the (actually unpopular) federal enforcement of this law at the source (employers) is so ineffective?

Cuz a vigorous enforcement and leviathan fine on the employers would clear this matter up in a few days.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 9:06:45 AM

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Ron,

I have been in favor of the I-9 audits this administration has been doing rather than the ICE agents chasing people down the street. Chipolte has been a recent example. I mean come on FFS the audit came up with some 700 of 1200 workers illegal just in MN. That's not a few fake id's falling through the cracks.

Now they want to make laws to harass the workers with proving citizenship,traffic stops and such, but hey let's not bother the people do who hire them. They need those cheap nannies, maids, and lawn guys.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 9:12:22 AM

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Hell, I can tell you where the bulk of those people are. Right here in Perham at the turkey farm and in Pelican Rapids at the turkey slaughterhouse.

Everyone; Tim Pawlenty, Mark Dayton, Al Franken, Rudi Boschwitz, Sean Hannity, Greta Garbo, me and Homer Simpson knows every one of them and the two companies who employ the most of them.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 10:46:45 AM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110302/ts_yblog_thelookout/proposed-texas-immigration-law-contains-convenient-loophole-for-the-help

"Excepting household workers from a anti-immigration laws renders the law impotent and self-contradictory, just like the current U.S. immigration policy, of which it is almost a perfect microcosm," legal ethics writer Jack Marshall wrote on his blog. "It guarantees a measure without integrity that sends a mixed enforcement message and does nothing to stop the long-standing deplorable 'we don't want you but somebody has to do those menial jobs' attitude that has paralyzed our immigration policy for decades."

Rep. Riddle made headlines last year when she claimed unnamed FBI officials had told her that pregnant women from the Middle East were traveling to America as tourists to give birth, and then raising their children to be terrorists who could later enter the U.S. freely as citizens -- so-called "terror babies," a devious offshoot of "anchor babies." She became somewhat infamous on the web when she stumbled repeatedly in a CNN interview about the claims, complaining later that host Anderson Cooper's line of questioning was more intense than she had prepared for.

"They did not tell me you were going to grill me on specific information that I was not ready to give to you tonight," Riddle said when Cooper pressed her for more details. "They did not tell me that, sir."

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 10:55:10 AM

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Who has the bigger warchest? The tea party or the chamber of commerce?

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 1:02:29 PM

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Proof positive we need immigration reform. We need a guest worker program and a pathway to citizenship. Just to throw a bomb, why can't we just open the gates?

Our population is declining, who's going to support the Social Security rolls?

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 1:04:09 PM

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Who has the bigger warchest? The tea party or the chamber of commerce?

Good point!

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 1:27:44 PM

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Proof positive we need immigration reform. We need a guest worker program and a pathway to citizenship. Just to throw a bomb, why can't we just open the gates?

Our population is declining, who's going to support the Social Security rolls?

"Immigration reform?" How's about we go back to having the federal government *enforce our immigration laws* like they should have been doing all along? That's the only "reform" that we need.
Since when did enforcing our immigration laws become, "optional?" Was it under Bush 43, Clinton (the lesser) Bush 41?
And our population is not in decline, it was 270 million in 2000 now we're at 304 million. I really don't think it would be a "good" thing to have it at 600 million! We'd need twice the number of roads that we have now, twice the number of jobs (from where?) and twice the amount of oil to keep everything running.
We're a good country because we're "a country of laws", if we get away from that we're screwed. We'll become just another third world country. Can you imagine what would happen if we stopped enforcing the laws on,... robbery for example? If the police didn't enforce those laws or simply looked the other way? You'd be getting robbed in the supermarket parking lot!
We have to enforce our laws and that means *all* the laws!
We are a mature country now. We simply don't need immigration anymore.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 1:40:21 PM

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I mean this low paid work that americans wouldn't deign to do, cutting cabbage, digging out dandilions....is this a new phenomena, or has it been going on for some time?

Those workers are a small segment... and getting smaller.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 2:03:44 PM

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Tell me, is it true that only a year ago, you were cutting sugarcane?

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 2:04:56 PM

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Wonderful rant oh "Moderate Independent"one.

Would you care to comment on the actual topic?

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 2:13:01 PM

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Wonderful rant oh "Moderate Independent"one.

Would you care to comment on the actual topic?

Flc, .....why sure!
The rich people in Texas need to;
A. Cut their own lawns and clean their own houses.
B. Pay American Citizens a living wage to do those jobs.
How greedy can they be? If they're wealthy whats the problem with paying a fellow Texan who needs the work to do those jobs at a decent wage? Bless their little hearts!
I pay a woman who needs the work $100 for about five hours cleaning here plus I make us lunch.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 2:16:07 PM

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So Tea Party favorite TX State Rep Debbie Riddle wants to make hiring an illegal worker punishable by up to 2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. UNLESS that is they are a maid, caretaker, lawn worker, or any of type of "house worker".

Could it be she employs a few herself?

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 2:18:32 PM

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Tell me, is it true that only a year ago, you were cutting sugarcane?

No, but a couple of generations back, it was Strike at the Wind.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 5:01:19 PM

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I hope Americans won't think a suggestion from an Australian is an impertinence. But after inflicting GWB on the world for eight disastrous years, something needs to be done urgently.

The next time Texans ask to secede from the Union, please agree quietly and let them go. Both the USA and the world can only be better off after such a move.

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 5:17:04 PM

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Its not all Texans, just the idiot Republicans

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RE: Those wacky Texans - 3/3/2011 8:58:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: hlen5

Proof positive we need immigration reform. We need a guest worker program and a pathway to citizenship. Just to throw a bomb, why can't we just open the gates?

Our population is declining, who's going to support the Social Security rolls?

"Immigration reform?" How's about we go back to having the federal government *enforce our immigration laws* like they should have been doing all along? That's the only "reform" that we need.
Since when did enforcing our immigration laws become, "optional?" Was it under Bush 43, Clinton (the lesser) Bush 41?
And our population is not in decline, it was 270 million in 2000 now we're at 304 million. I really don't think it would be a "good" thing to have it at 600 million! We'd need twice the number of roads that we have now, twice the number of jobs (from where?) and twice the amount of oil to keep everything running.
We're a good country because we're "a country of laws", if we get away from that we're screwed. We'll become just another third world country. Can you imagine what would happen if we stopped enforcing the laws on,... robbery for example? If the police didn't enforce those laws or simply looked the other way? You'd be getting robbed in the supermarket parking lot!
We have to enforce our laws and that means *all* the laws!
We are a mature country now. We simply don't need immigration anymore.

Popeye, I should have said our working population is declining.

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