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susie -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 12:59:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Perhaps the most current notable distinct Welsh law currently under consideration is about presumtion of organ donation upon death, an opt out system rather than the opt in used currently. Sounds like a good law to me Agreed and I think something that should be brought in for the whole of the UK. Much easier for everyone at a very stressful time.

mnottertail -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:04:05 PM)
Actually, I don't see why such bumptiuousness should preoccupy an entire country in these stressful times, wouldn't the idea of a checkoff on your drivers license or other id (cuz I know you guys got id laws I visited there) on whether they can have a go for your brainstem or not, and handle it in sonorous but straightforward legislation fixes?

AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:04:21 PM)
quote: Oh they can be trained, with copious pummelling, to perform a wide variety of manual tasks, in much the same way chimps can be. You wouldn't want to rely on their "thinking", but in terms of cheap slave labour they're occasionally mildly useful. What an incredibly prejudiced, erroneous, and offensive statement. Way to lump all people of a nation into one group.

mnottertail -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:08:18 PM)
In fairness he was playing a straightman to my yank joke, and sometimes your everyday language does not lend itself to yuck without very clear intent.

RapierFugue -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:08:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig What on earth is wrong with such a law? If you're not capable of working that out for yourself then it's not my place to bash a semblance of intelligence into you.

RapierFugue -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:09:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis Way to lump all people of a nation into one group. Sadly, where the welsh are concerned, it's all too accurate.

RapierFugue -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:10:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail In fairness he was playing a straightman to my yank joke Hush now, you'll scare the fishies off :)

RapierFugue -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:11:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: susie Agreed and I think something that should be brought in for the whole of the UK. Much easier for everyone at a very stressful time. It doesn't work like that. Clinical governance isn't a simplistic thing, much as people wish it were.

Arpig -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:12:38 PM)
I see, it is so obvious that you cannot even put it into words....got it. Rather than answer the question you insult the one asking, very clever, not like we haven't seen that tactic before. As to the law, well sorry, but personally I couldn't care less what happens to my body after I'm dead...not like I need it anymore, so if somebody else does for a transplant or for research, or even fertilizer then go for it. What can it possibly matter to you...you are dead! It's nothing but decomposing meat.

mnottertail -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:15:52 PM)
And looking at you now, today; I confess, not sure any of us would be scavenging parts off you later. NOW, see? That's a joke.

RapierFugue -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:16:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig I see, it is so obvious that you cannot even put it into words....got it. Rather than answer the question you insult the one asking, very clever, not like we haven't seen that tactic before. As to the law, well sorry, but personally I couldn't care less what happens to my body after I'm dead...not like I need it anymore, so if somebody else does for a transplant or for research, or even fertilizer then go for it. What can it possibly matter to you...you are dead! It's nothing but decomposing meat. It's so amusing to watch children talk about adult topics :) Go away, do some research, understand the issues for both the patient and their families, then learn about Clinical Governance, then spend about a decade in the industry, then come back and apologise for being sub-normal.

Politesub53 -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:27:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue Except there's no definition of "British", since we were, and indeed are, a mongrel nation. Anyone attempting to stop time at a specific point, in order to pin a definition, is an idiot. Whenever I hear someone try to define "British", in terms of race, my mind instantly paints the word "moron" in 10 foot high letters. c.f. the BNP, etc ... The term British comes from the term Brythonic, who were Celts, along with the Picts and the Gaels go back to the iron ages. The lived as far north as the Firth Of Forth, the Picts and Gaels lived north of that. I guess technically speaking the lowlands were originally British, just dont tell the Scots. The original Brits moved to what is now Wales, Cornwall and Brittany ( In France ) Where the Brythonic language was kept alive until localised forms derived. The term English comes from the Angles, who occupied much of the eastern side of the UK from around the 5th Century. England as a State was unified around 900 AD, between the differing English Kingdoms

mnottertail -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:31:31 PM)
Yes, in the area from Canute to Bill the Conq. I mean there was a point to bleedin' Hadrian's wall, at one time, wasn't there?

Politesub53 -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:33:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig it makes life simpler for all except the few crackpots who have something against organ donation. I`m not so sure people who dont wish to be cut about after death are crackpots. Anyhow, I am about to have a few beers and damage my liver, anyone who wants it when Im gone send me a CM. [;)]

Politesub53 -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:35:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yes, in the area from Canute to Bill the Conq. I mean there was a point to bleedin' Hadrian's wall, at one time, wasn't there? Of course there was old bean. It was the UK`s first job creation scheme for unemployed brickies.

RapierFugue -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:42:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I`m not so sure people who dont wish to be cut about after death are crackpots. Ding. Smart bloke wins a goldfish. The legal implications are epic in size; the very first time someone's family object legally, the entire system would crumble, because it's contrary to a number of long-established clinical protocols, to say nothing of the purely legal aspects as they pertain not just to UK law, but to European law as well. It would be a move of unprecedented stupidity. So it's somehow fitting that the welsh may give it a go. More likely though is that it'll soak up a load of money, in legal and political time, then (once said money has been wasted), it'll be quietly dropped. Bravo.

AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:43:04 PM)
quote: Sadly, where the welsh are concerned, it's all too accurate. Well Sir, what is sad is to see such sweeping generalizations. My father is studying his PhD at the University of Wales. And I can assure you he is surrounded by many brilliant minds contributing to the latest research in their respective fields. My mother, Welsh, is also finishing her doctorate. And I, also Welsh, teach at a university. But I suppose we are all just highly trained performing chimps who should go back to digging coal mines. anna

RapierFugue -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 1:45:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis But I suppose we are all just highly trained performing chimps who should go back to digging coal mines. It'd be for the best. All that'll happen otherwise is you'll seek to improve a nation that cannot be improved. I'm just sparing you and yours the pain of disappointment. Don't thank me, it's all part of the service.

Kirata -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 2:15:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail NOW, see? That's a joke. During a class on cultural differences, the teacher held up a pencil and called on Tommy... Teacher: Tommy, is this an English pencil or a Welsh pencil? Tommy: It's an English pencil, Ma'am. Teacher: Very good, Tommy! And how could you tell? Tommy: Because, Ma'am, it has no point. K.

Arpig -> RE: Independant Welsh Legislation is a go. (3/4/2011 8:34:18 PM)
quote: It's so amusing to watch children talk about adult topics :) Go away, do some research, understand the issues for both the patient and their families, then learn about Clinical Governance, then spend about a decade in the industry, then come back and apologise for being sub-normal. Sorry, I just can't see any reason not to donate whatever is needed for whatever purpose it may be needed, despite your insults. If one of my kids were to die, I would donate whatever was donatable, when my parents die I will be in favour of donating whatever is usable for whatever purpose. It has nothing to do with experience in the field, it has simply to do with common sense...the dead person has no further use for the body parts, the dead person's family has no further use for the body parts...in fact nobody but the transplant/research people do have a use for the body parts. Simple and straight forward, and if a person, for whatever reason, wishes not to then they can opt out, I don't see the problem, and if you could present even one rational reason why the law is bad, then perhaps we could discuss it, but since you are so high & mighty, and so clearly superior, I guess there isn't much hope of that.

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