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Curious about slave contracts - 3/6/2011 1:04:28 AM   
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Curious what goes in the average slave contract and what Mistresses think of them etc
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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/6/2011 7:08:44 AM   
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If you Google "bdsm slave contract" you'll find several examples of sample contracts which can be customized according to the needs/desires of the people involved.  Usually, they include the date the contract goes into effect and the length of time it will last (30 days, 3 mos., 6 mos, etc.).  It may also include specific rights and responsibilities for both the D and the s, outline penalties for infractions, and state terms for breach of contract and/or immediate termination.  However, it's important to remember that such a contract is not legally enforcible and will not cover your arse if anything goes wrong and the other party decides to file charges.
 
Personally, I don't use them.  A verbal agreement is enough for me.  My girl has never asked for a contract, although she did ask to have my household rules and protocols, which are minimal, in writing.

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/6/2011 5:08:52 PM   
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slave contract = joke, fantasy porn.

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/6/2011 5:24:47 PM   
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When I was collared, it was to a relatively large poly household and they had an entire syllabus complete with contract and limits/interests checklist. I worked on fulfilling the term of the Syllabus, as each thing on it I was expected to learn and know - but I never did fill out/sign the contract or checklist. Obviously it wasn't that big a deal to those I was serving, because they never said a thing about me not using it.

My sister slave, however, zealously kept up with contract renewal dates and terms. It was important to her. She took it very seriously. As I recall, the terms were updated and modified each year to include/exclude expectations of both Master/Mistress and slave as it related to service and household.

I guess it boils down to each their own, and whatever works for you.


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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/6/2011 6:43:19 PM   
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garagefighter76,

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Curious what goes in the average slave contract...


There is no such thing as an "average" slave contract.  Assuming BDSM partners use this kind of negotiation tool, every contact will be different.  Some people like to focus on salacious activities ("every morning the slave will bring Mistress' tea and lick Mistress' pussy while she reads the morning newspaper") while others, such as myself, like to focus more on life-oriented and relationship-oriented issues (such as communications mechanisms, conflict resolution techniques, and methods for setting expectations and reviewing performance).  There is nothing limiting whatever combination of items (funk, kinky, practical, required, etc.) appears and is negotiated - this is up to the participants.

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...and what Mistresses think of them, etc.


I'm not a Mistress, but hopefully my feedback is still useful.  I've been on the top and bottom sides of contracts.  In general, I feel BDSM contracts can be useful for getting partners discussing issues that might otherwise be missed.  A contact itself is a form of setting and agreeing on expectations for all involved.  However, I caution BDSM partners to avoid thinking a BDSM contract is an ultimate, "silver bullet" solution.  In other words, it can be easy to think "we've negotiated a contract so smooth sailing awaits".  People change.  Situations change.  Important items may be accidently omitted at the time the contract is drawn up and these can come to light later.  What may have seemed "super keen" at one point in the partners' combined, life experiences, may not be so desirable at another.  There are a myriad reasons why it's important to think of this kind of contract more as a starting place than as a "sealed in blood" template for a relationship.  Also, I think it's important not to design a contract in such a way that the relationship is almost certainly set up for failure.  Consider each clause and ask "if there is a failure in performance here, what does this mean to the relationship?  Some items may be critical to include whereas others may be better described briefly and left for real-time communication and negotiation.

Unlike business contracts, BDSM contracts aren't enforceable by law and nor, in the context of personal relationships, is it desirable to take a legal course.  At best then, as noted above, a contract is a communication tool, a compatibility checking tool, and a starting place.  It is a mistake to think a contract can cover every situation and a mistake to think that people are static - the terms of a contract me need to be modified at a later.  If partners cannot agree on significant issues during initial negotiation or during later amendments, the relationship may not be sustainable.

Would I use a BDSM contract again?  Hmmm.  That depends on how important this was to my partner and how I felt about the communication with a specific partner.  Whether in contract form or in some other form, I do think it's a good idea to write certain things down and to review them.  This allows partners to take ideas away and think about them on their own (which can yield different feelings than those expressed on the spot) and it avoids important issues being forgotten.

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/6/2011 9:16:50 PM   
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as stated abve the slave contract is not legaly enforcable in court. but i can see how some would prefer something written down to see and refer to. it would simply be a reinforcement of the verbal one. i have never had a writen one nor felt i needed one i have a personal beleif in the verbal word in a agreement

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 2:28:13 PM   
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Hi.

I always like a slave that's willing to sign a slave contract. It's up to the slave to make sure he lives up to what he writes and I have to enforce it and remind him from time to time but that's what slave contracts are for. It'd be a great idea to have it framed and hung too.

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 2:30:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AcademyForSlaves

Hi.

I always like a slave that's willing to sign a slave contract. It's up to the slave to make sure he lives up to what he writes and I have to enforce it and remind him from time to time but that's what slave contracts are for. It'd be a great idea to have it framed and hung too.


I always find that duct taping a shotgun barrel around their necks is a good deterrent to renegotiation's.
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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 3:09:14 PM   
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Carol and I never did a contract. We equate "slave" with TPE so what would the slave contract say other than, "Carol agrees to obey... until she doesn't"

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 5:01:19 PM   
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BDSM is, from a legal standpoint, abuse. The law doesn't recognize consensuality here.

So any Dominant would simply be opening himself or herself up to charges of premeditation should the contract ever show up in court.

They have their place to define roles and responsibilities, but if I ever used one it would stay unsigned.

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 5:16:55 PM   
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They can be unrealistic fantasy porn that is likely to spell the end of a real life D/s relationship, or they can be a useful tool for communicating expectations and goals for a relationship. It totally depends on the individuals involved and their level of reality check.

I don't use a contract per se so much as a set of written expectations and goals to which we are both expected to be mindful of. Mostly it's about things like honesty and transparency and communication. Not rocket science really, and not particularly porn-y. I could probably rummage up a copy of what I use to share if it's wanted, but it's not much of a "slave contract" per se, and it's definitely not wank fodder.

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 6:21:49 PM   
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Personally I don't use them. I don't have anything against them and I see where they are useful but I am not into it. I know many people who are ritualistic and signing a contract is important to them because it signifies a real beginning to their service. Many Dominants I know like them because it outlines rules, expectations, punishments, term length of the slavery etc.

Personally, I just take the time to get to know a potential slave and what his needs are in order to feel fulfilled from service. I let him know what my expectations and needs are in order to be fulfilled from being served by him. If our personalities and needs match up we begin working toward his enslavement.


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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 6:48:55 PM   
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AcademyForSlaves,

--- It's up to the slave to make sure he lives
--- up to what he writes...

Actually, it's up to both partners to endeavour, as best they can, to live up to what they agree to.

--- ...and I have to enforce it and remind him from
--- time to time, but that's what slave contracts are for.

I don't think of a BDSM contract as an enforcement tool... something to remind the offending party and to rub their nose in.  Rather, it's a communication and negotiating tool for setting expectations and limits within a BDSM relationship, and it applies as equally to the dominant as it does to the submissive.  For example, if the dominant agrees not to take on other sexual partners and they do (without further negotiation and agreement from their submissive), were I the submissive, the dominant and I would be having a very serious conversation.

--- It'd be a great idea to have it framed and hung too.

Right.  Let's put that sucker up where business associates, friends, family members, the landlord, etc (i.e. all external, non-consenting parties who don't need this information) can all see it.  That sounds like a wonderful idea!  (Note intended sarcasm.)

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 7:23:29 PM   
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Made one once...it was a very erotic experience. We had loads of fun writing it up. Then we forgot about it and got on with life.

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 8:06:32 PM   
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Holly put our opinion of contracts very well a few years back ...

"contract? I don't need any stupid piece of paper to let me tell you what to do, bitch." (to our boy)

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 10:15:03 PM   
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An excerpt from what I use as a "slave contract", which isn't really a contract at all.

My desires, expectations, and basic needs as an owner/dominant in a consensual D/s relationship:

1.Honesty and personal transparency. Don’t lie or hide stuff, even if you think it will upset me. You can be tactful in the way you share information, but do not fail to share it. A corollary to this is that if you’re feeling something, or not feeling something, it’s not only okay but expected for you to share that information in a calm, considerate and nonjudgmental way. I will listen in a similar manner and we’ll move forward in a constructive way from there. This principle goes both ways. Second guessing what I want or how I feel doesn’t work. Just ask, and I will always do my best to be honest and personally transparent to you as well.

2.Reliability. If you say you’ll do something or be somewhere, I expect an honest and good faith effort made at doing it or being there. Sometimes life happens, and in that case, the expectation is to let me know as early as possible that whatever I was counting on isn’t going to materialize, so I can change my own plans. Likewise, I will make every reasonable effort to keep my given word to you, and to keep you in the information loop if something has to change.

3.Constructive solutions to issues and problems. If something ever goes wrong, or one of us does something to hurt or annoy the other, we need to communicate honestly and acknowledge the hurt, then move on constructively. We both need to take responsibility for our own feelings and personal triggers rather than blaming the other person or expecting that they should have “just known” something that they were never explicitly told. Communicate problems using “I” language rather than “you” language, and neutrally describing the words or behavior that caused a problem rather than judging or blaming. Eg, “When you did this, it had this outcome for me, and that makes me feel bad. What can we to do avoid this in the future?” The focus stays on negotiating a win-win solution for both partners that actually works.

4.Neither total selfishness nor total selflessness works. All successful relationships are about meeting both partners’ needs. If they don’t work that way, they stop being successful. Speak up if you want or need something. Speak up if you think I want or need something. Speak up if you aren’t comfortable with something. Especially speak up if something causes you concern or makes you feel resentful or doubtful. Communication is critical, as are realistic goals and expectations in a D/s relationship. You can trust that I will always be mindful of your health, general welfare, comfort level, feelings, etc, and listening respectfully to what you communicate about those things.

5.We live in the real world. You are responsible for knowing and clearly communicating what the healthy boundaries are relating to your job, your family, your friends and how you intelligently manage your personal assets. That stuff generally isn’t my business, nor do I want it to be. If it affects me, keep me informed. If you want my advice, ask. If there’s a conflict, the real world wins. If I have you tied to the bed and an emergency call comes in from work, fun time’s over. I want regular time set aside for us to be a high priority in your life, but not to entirely overshadow your social life or all your other interests and activities. What we do must not be allowed to have an overall negative effect on your professional life or your physical and emotional health.

6.Strive to be a good submissive. I expect you to devote a reasonable amount of time, energy and effort to being a pleasing and valuable piece of property. This doesn’t mean you have to spend 24 hours a day on your knees dressed in latex, existing for nothing but to satisfy my every whim. It does mean you will work to grow into a positive mindset of self-improvement and of striving honorably to be worthy of your place as a valued and cherished possession. You should always be thinking of ways to please and serve your owner and to show your appreciation. It is the responsibility of both partners to make the other feel valued, cherished and appreciated. If you don’t know what words or gestures are effective in doing that, ask.

7.You wear my collar. While it can come off if practical circumstances dictate, in general, it shouldn’t. A collar is personally meaningful to me, and also in the BDSM community in general. Play collars are not appropriate, nor is wearing anyone else’s collar. That needs to be made clear to anyone else you may play with, and if you go to an event without me, you should make it obvious that you are collared as a courtesy not just to me, but to other dominants. I am very unlikely to deny you permission to play with someone else, but I must be asked. I prefer they ask me directly if possible, but at times I may give blanket permission for casual play. Your ass belongs to me, and anything going in it is beyond the boundaries of casual play. That permission needs to be specifically asked for by the dominant.

It gets more specific from here, but these are the general starting guidelines that I use that I don't mind sharing.

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RE: Curious about slave contracts - 3/10/2011 10:28:50 PM   
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I think slave contracts are good, if you need ideas about things you had not considered, and want to know if the other person is open to it, or wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

They aren't legal, FYI, just another way to check kink compatibility.    M


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