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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:49:08 AM   
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Got a lot of traction, too, I suppose?


Doesn't matter, you made a claim that obviously wasn't true.

Maybe you should suck it up for once and admit it.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:51:58 AM   
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Is that honestly the only reason you can think of? Do you base every thing you do on the color of the other persons skin? Or are you just parroting the same lines you keep hearing from the other idiots out there?

No, it's more that this eligibility fuss only seems to have kicked off with the election of a mulatto. It's about the only form of attack that Starr and Gringrich didn't use on Clinton, after all. I suppose it's possible that there isn't a racial element to all this nonsense, but it's a lot more likely that there is.

FYI: the eligibilty fuss kicked off long before the election of a mulatto, years before in fact. Demoncraps challenged McCain's eligibilty in 2000, and again in 2008 several months before anyone challeged Obama's eligibility. I suppose it's possible that Obama is a "natural born Citizen", but it's more likely he's not given what's in/not in the public domain.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:52:34 AM   
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I'm not sure I understand your post.

I do not anticipate violence from the right if evidence is heard and SCOTUS, or the House, declares 0bama0 to be eligible. You may, "the left" may, I do not. There was little or no violence associated with his campaign, his election, his inauguration, his reign On the other hand, should he be found ineligible, one need only extrapolate from some of the posters here what would happen. Start with "The only possible cause for such a ruling is racism..." and go from there; let your imagination run only a short distance and our cities have real problems. I lived through the riots of the 60s.

If SCOTUS rules on eligibility, I see no way legislation alone could change his status. Only an Amendment.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:53:52 AM   
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Lets put it this way.

Congress has declared Obama eligible to be President.

Want that changed?

Pass a new national law.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:54:12 AM   
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I do not anticipate SCOTUS needing to rule on non-extant issues.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:54:36 AM   
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I have no idea what the purpose of the innuendo is, but it didn't result in SCOTUS finding it necessary......


Can anyone other than mn translate this for me?
I mean, is it just me, or is mn on better stuff than usual today?

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:55:57 AM   
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You need to get on something because you sorely lack it.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:56:12 AM   
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Actually, RJ, I agree about McCain.

SCOTUS should weigh in and settle the question. For McCain, 0bama0, for the future...

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 7:59:18 AM   
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Demoncraps challenged McCain's eligibilty in 2000, and again in 2008 several months before anyone challeged Obama's eligibility.

Got a source for that? It's a bit hard to credit given that the incompetent fuckwits weren't even up to making an impeachment attempt on the chimp after monkeyboy invaded a sovereign nation under false pretences in defiance of the UN.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:03:32 AM   
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Because, first of all, we really should start sometime, and continue as a matter of routine. Why not now?
Secondly, there are legitimate questions about 0bama0, and a need for the defintion of NBC. Now.




If the states want proof... fine.
I agree the SC needs to define what NBC is... they have deliberately chosen not too.
I do NOT agree with making the birth records public.

What if a State required proof prior to the 2008 election?
What if that State was Hawaii?
What if the Democratic Party of Hawaii provided proof in 2000 and 2004 but not in 2008?
What if the birth record made public by a candidate elected POTUS was never verified as authentic by any official of the issuing State?
What if the birth record made public by a candidate elected POTUS would not suffice as prima-facie documentation by the issuing State's Department of Home Lands?

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:06:24 AM   
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Article I.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Article II
Section 1.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

So, while it might be interesting to know what a natural born Citizen is, by having SCOTUS sift thru INS law and summarize it, rather than screwing around with the current  POTUS, who we all agree has better things to do, and since in any and every dictionary including Blacks Law the connective OR  means that one or the other is necessary and sufficiet, and he is certainly a citizen of the United States (based soley on his mother being an American Citizen, that is the necessary and sufficient condition, regardless if there are others, which there are...)

Wouldn't it serve the public interest equally to bring suit against 'Dutch' Reagan?

 

Obama has yet to prove he is a citizen, never mind a "natural born Citizen"

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:07:56 AM   
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What if a State required proof prior to the 2008 election?


Did one?

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What if that State was Hawaii?

What if the Democratic Party of Hawaii provided proof in 2000 and 2004 but not in 2008?

What if the birth record made public by a candidate elected POTUS was never verified as authentic by any official of the issuing State?


Hawaii already verified it, according to its officials.

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What if the birth record made public by a candidate elected POTUS would not suffice as prima-facie documentation by the issuing State's Department of Home Lands?


Mine looks like his... and its readily accepted by the State of PA for everything from passports to bank accounts to travel.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:08:46 AM   
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he doesn't need to, his mother is one, he has nothing to prove, but he has anyway.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:09:20 AM   
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Dan Rather, who carried on in Walter Cronkites tradition, was caught trying to fake some very personal papers that supposedly discussed George W. Bush's service records, the point being that  President Bush's service records (which have no legal bearing on a mans fitness to serve)  were thought of by leftists as fair game at the time, right?

But this, something thats a constitutional requirement, isnt fair game?

I call bullshit.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

That seems to be self-contradictory.
To what star chamber should proof of meeting the definition be presented?
By what thinking is making such information public too high a price for an individual to pay in order to run for POTUS. Doesn't making the proof public amount to a candle flickering on the face of the sun in comparison to the other costs of running?


I second your call!

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:14:26 AM   
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Dan Rather, who carried on in Walter Cronkites tradition, was caught trying to fake some very personal papers that supposedly discussed George W. Bush's service records, the point being that  President Bush's service records (which have no legal bearing on a mans fitness to serve)  were thought of by leftists as fair game at the time, right?


If memory serves, John Kerry's service records were definitely seen as fair game for the Republicans (hence those videos on youtube of dickheads with purple heart plasters stuck all over their smug whitebread faces at the 2004 convention), so objecting to Dan Rather* having a go at the chimp's if that was acceptable is something of a double standard, really.

*(An entertainer rather than a serious political figure in any case: just like Rush Limbaugh...)

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:16:00 AM   
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I didnt miss anything, the or applies to either clause and the peroration inherits the or.

Nothing novel about it and why Scalia's little hints were grasping at straws for you.

Apparently the epic fail would lie with the four strikes crowd and not with those of us who understand the meaning of or.  

Some of us understand the meaning of the Governor of Hawaii, a liberal Democrat, a long-time friend of Obama's parents and Obama, first proclaiming he was going to put this matter to rest once and for all by making more of Obama's vital records available to the public then subsequently admitting he wasn't able to even find Obama's vital records.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:18:06 AM   
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Because, first of all, we really should start sometime, and continue as a matter of routine. Why not now?
Secondly, there are legitimate questions about 0bama0, and a need for the defintion of NBC. Now.




If the states want proof... fine.
I agree the SC needs to define what NBC is... they have deliberately chosen not too.
I do NOT agree with making the birth records public.


Why do you object to full disclosure? Think there is something to hide?

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:18:56 AM   
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Because no other President ever had such a dark complexion would be my guess.
(God only knows what they'd whining about if Hilary had got the nomination...)


Actually, the only reason Obama is going through this is because he is a Democrat.  The people on the right side of the aisle are simply using any means available to try to discredit him, and this is one of the things they have latched onto to try to achieve their goal.  If Obama was a Republican president you would not be hearing anything at all from these people.  It wasn't too long ago that a lot of right-wingers were actually wanting to change the laws so that Arnold could run for president weren't they?  It seems that the sanctity of being a "natural born citizen" is only important to them when it suits their needs.

Bullshit. Demoncraps challenged McCain's eligibilty in 2000, and again in 2008 several months before the first person challenged Obama's eligibility...and that person was a long-time Democrat! Your ignorance at best, hypocrisy at worst is showing!

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:20:05 AM   
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Full disclosure? Do you want your birth certificate available to everyone? If he makes his available to each state, that should be sufficient.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 8:21:11 AM   
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Obama has yet to prove he is a citizen, never mind a "natural born Citizen"


In April, the Senate approved a nonbinding resolution declaring that Mr. McCain is eligible to be president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1299600042-iA7Q7kQuUMv2LfXaDzPVKA

(AP) State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.

However, it appears Congress has moved on and has accepted Obama's island birthplace. The U.S. House on Monday unanimously approved a resolution recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming the 50th state. A clause was included that reads: "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/28/politics/main5193109.shtml

Seems to me Congress has determined both of these men eligible.

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