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No College Degree Necessary? - 3/8/2011 11:20:12 PM   
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/opinion/07krugman.html?src=me&ref=general

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/8/2011 11:32:35 PM   
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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/8/2011 11:44:49 PM   
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I've already been called all kinds of names so I have no compunction against laying it on the line. If we are the best, the brightest, the smartesst, it is time to fucking put up or shut up. The Japs and the others all got the easy jobs from us. Take the hard job.

Take the hard job or compete with others who can do it. That is the economy as much as we might not like it. There are a couple of milliion millionaires in this country, be one.

I don't care enough to become one, but really, anyone can. There is a very simple formula for it, just get some money. Build a business, learn to hire the right people and delegate properly, and walk out, except to collect the money. Rinse and repeat, do it again, then collect your money from two places. Do it again and then collect from three, then four, then five and so on. Your "job" will be collecting money.

This is still a country with opportunity, for those who don't give a shit, who want money. Maybe it's a bit harder than before, but it still works.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/8/2011 11:50:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		It highlights Krugmans propensity toward stretching the bounds of logic to make some socialist point. He seems to agree that there is a "hole" in employment, with high wage jobs and low wage jobs expanding, and a gap that no longer needs to be filled by highly educated workers. [Ignoring the fact that its the educated who will be looked at to fill the high wage jobs that do open up, but thats not the biggest problem with his nonsense].

He then argues that we need to restore bargaining power so "superstars and the ordinary can both have good wages"....after already agreeing that good wage jobs dont exist! And on top of it he wants to guarantee benefits. What the fuck does he think benefits are? They are compensation, you moron. If there are no good wage jobs there is also no room to increase compensation in the form of benefits.

How an idiot like him survives at Princeton I dont know. He must have pictures of somebody in the locker room of the Baker rink getting sucked off by a Zamboni.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/8/2011 11:55:50 PM   
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...................How an idiot like him survives at Princeton I dont know. He must have pictures of somebody in the locker room of the Baker rink getting sucked off by a Zamboni.


Huh??

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/8/2011 11:58:10 PM   
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...................How an idiot like him survives at Princeton I dont know. He must have pictures of somebody in the locker room of the Baker rink getting sucked off by a Zamboni.


Huh??


Huh to what...idot? Princeton? Baker rink? Zamboni?

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 12:00:15 AM   
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ETA, I do know what a zamboni is, it was just so incongruous to everything else you wrote
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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 12:04:15 AM   
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Baker rink and Zamboni.


The Baker Rink is one of the oldest college hockey arenas in the country, named for Hobey Baker, a WWI hero and considered one of if not the best amateur athlete of the time. Zamboni's are the machines that resurface the ice, and has enough pumps, tubes and vaccuums to be a male Sybian for a whole hockey team.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 12:10:05 AM   
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Ignoring the fact that its the educated who will be looked at to fill the high wage jobs that do open up...

Not to mention that the educated are lucky to get a low wage job these days.

K.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 12:14:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		We can not think of education just in terms of money. It is difficult for young people to self-educate, most do not have necessary discipline. I advise young people to go to college, but as a major or a side project learn something that earns living (e.g. computer programming, dentistry, teachers certificate etc...). "Safe" dead end janitorial and landscaping jobs P. Krugman mentions could get you into lifetime financial struggle.  Poor understanding how things work makes perfect consumer and voter, but I am not sure, it is ideal situation for an individual.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 2:39:44 AM   
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LOLOL ! Why does it not surprise me that you know such things ?

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 4:03:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've done just fine without a formal education. I've had no student loans to pay back either. I have never bought into the belief that a college degree with critical to sucessful employment.

That being said, there was no path of employment I was interested in that required a college degree. If I had wanted to be a teacher/doctor/attorney/engineer/etc etc etc.......there would have been value in it. I didn't, there wasn't.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 7:03:09 AM   
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It highlights Krugmans propensity toward stretching the bounds of logic to make some socialist point. He seems to agree that there is a "hole" in employment, with high wage jobs and low wage jobs expanding, and a gap that no longer needs to be filled by highly educated workers. [Ignoring the fact that its the educated who will be looked at to fill the high wage jobs that do open up, but thats not the biggest problem with his nonsense].

He then argues that we need to restore bargaining power so "superstars and the ordinary can both have good wages"....after already agreeing that good wage jobs dont exist! And on top of it he wants to guarantee benefits. What the fuck does he think benefits are? They are compensation, you moron. If there are no good wage jobs there is also no room to increase compensation in the form of benefits.

How an idiot like him survives at Princeton I dont know. He must have pictures of somebody in the locker room of the Baker rink getting sucked off by a Zamboni.


Yeah, that whole nobel prize thing in economics....any dumbass can get that........fuck wilbur get your head out of your ass lol....

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 7:16:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with everything Krugman wrote here; he just didn't go nearly far enough.
There are any number of books predicting The End of Work. I liked Rifkins
I have taken a recent interest in a couple of articles of or by Ray Kurzweil. Ordered his "Fantastic Voyage" book. The basic idea is that we are on the cusp of great things, that computers are nearly able to design the computers that will design the computers that will.... design the computers that will be capable of creative thought. At which point the only limit to our exponentially expanding knowledge base will be our ability to build instruments capable of collecting the (sub-atomic? extra-galactic?) data the computers need.

So they'll tell us how to build the robots that can build the robots that can... Manipulate gravity? Time? Space? All three?

Jobs? Education? You jest, right? Medicine? 12th-generation nanobots answering to a 20th generation wifi analog. Wall street bankers? A simple numbers crunching-program? Pilots? Ever heard of drones?

The future will rain soup if we don't kill each other before we get there; all we'll have to do is stand outside with bowls.

Unless the bots turn on us. Someone needs to Put Asimovs Three Laws of Robotics on steroids.

2050 will, imo, bear as much resemblance to 2011 as 2011 does to 2011 BC.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 8:48:29 AM   
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It highlights Krugmans propensity toward stretching the bounds of logic to make some socialist point. He seems to agree that there is a "hole" in employment, with high wage jobs and low wage jobs expanding, and a gap that no longer needs to be filled by highly educated workers. [Ignoring the fact that its the educated who will be looked at to fill the high wage jobs that do open up, but thats not the biggest problem with his nonsense].

He then argues that we need to restore bargaining power so "superstars and the ordinary can both have good wages"....after already agreeing that good wage jobs dont exist! And on top of it he wants to guarantee benefits. What the fuck does he think benefits are? They are compensation, you moron. If there are no good wage jobs there is also no room to increase compensation in the form of benefits.

How an idiot like him survives at Princeton I dont know. He must have pictures of somebody in the locker room of the Baker rink getting sucked off by a Zamboni.


Yeah, that whole nobel prize thing in economics....any dumbass can get that........fuck wilbur get your head out of your ass lol....


True, Obama got his right after he became president, for what I don't know.
DYB, would you like a Nobel Peace Prize for,.....whatever?
We can form a committee in here and nominate you!

The "real" money isn't in "having" a college degree it's in "selling" college degrees.
And the "tax-free" status that colleges have should have been revoked long ago. They're all "for profit" now, some of them just don't pay taxes.
There's nothing "wrong" with having a degree. There's a lot wrong when so many people have degrees.
It's called "the law of supply and demand" which so many people think they can simply ignore.
Also, the U.S. is headed in the wrong direction with this "global economy" crap!
Anyone who touts it stands to make a lot of money from it while it makes most people poor!
But,.....you can buy cheap imported plastic junk at Walmart's right?
Whenever anyone in govt. or business says they're "doing it for the consumer" the hoi poloi are already going to be in the bent over grab your ankles position! Anyone who says "it's for the consumer" is *NOT* your friend!
Look at NAFTA, it's been a disaster for the last 16 years and right from the start!
How many white collar jobs did that kill?
"Publish or die."
"Manufacture or die."

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 8:56:30 AM   
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I agree with everything Krugman wrote here; he just didn't go nearly far enough.
There are any number of books predicting The End of Work. I liked Rifkins
I have taken a recent interest in a couple of articles of or by Ray Kurzweil. Ordered his "Fantastic Voyage" book. The basic idea is that we are on the cusp of great things, that computers are nearly able to design the computers that will design the computers that will.... design the computers that will be capable of creative thought. At which point the only limit to our exponentially expanding knowledge base will be our ability to build instruments capable of collecting the (sub-atomic? extra-galactic?) data the computers need.

So they'll tell us how to build the robots that can build the robots that can... Manipulate gravity? Time? Space? All three?

Jobs? Education? You jest, right? Medicine? 12th-generation nanobots answering to a 20th generation wifi analog. Wall street bankers? A simple numbers crunching-program? Pilots? Ever heard of drones?

The future will rain soup if we don't kill each other before we get there; all we'll have to do is stand outside with bowls.

Unless the bots turn on us. Someone needs to Put Asimovs Three Laws of Robotics on steroids.

2050 will, imo, bear as much resemblance to 2011 as 2011 does to 2011 BC.


I usually agree with Krugman, but the point he misses is you will always need human intervention.

But I think the main point of the article was in his summary:


So if we want a society of broadly shared prosperity, education isn’t the answer — we’ll have to go about building that society directly.

We need to restore the bargaining power that labor has lost over the last 30 years, so that ordinary workers as well as superstars have the power to bargain for good wages.

We need to guarantee the essentials, above all health care, to every citizen.






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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 9:15:57 AM   
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So if we want a society of broadly shared prosperity, education isn’t the answer — we’ll have to go about building that society directly.








Yeah, the uneducated will be very valuable in building that society "directly". More "the government is the answer" bullshit from Slugman.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 9:19:14 AM   
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So if we want a society of broadly shared prosperity, education isn’t the answer — we’ll have to go about building that society directly.



Yeah, the uneducated will be very valuable in building that society "directly". More "the government is the answer" bullshit from Slugman.


I shouldn't have included that quote because it was one of the parts I disagreed with.

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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 9:26:04 AM   
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So if we want a society of broadly shared prosperity, education isn’t the answer — we’ll have to go about building that society directly.



Yeah, the uneducated will be very valuable in building that society "directly". More "the government is the answer" bullshit from Slugman.


I shouldn't have included that quote because it was one of the parts I disagreed with.



You just said they were the main points, not that you agreed or disagreed with them. We've agreed twice today and you actually displayed a sense of humor once. New meds?


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RE: No College Degree Necessary? - 3/9/2011 9:28:51 AM   
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So if we want a society of broadly shared prosperity, education isn’t the answer — we’ll have to go about building that society directly.

Wilbur, around 1900 most people didn't graduate high school.
Ninety percent of Doctors didn't have a college degree, it was all "o.j.t."
Why does someone need a master's degree to sit in a govt. office doing paperwork?






Yeah, the uneducated will be very valuable in building that society "directly". More "the government is the answer" bullshit from Slugman.




Wilbur, around 1900 most people didn't graduate high school.
Ninety percent of Doctors didn't have a college degree, it was all "o.j.t."
Why does someone need a master's degree to sit in a govt. office doing paperwork?

Anytime someone starts "selling" you on how important they are and how much you "need" them.....




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