DarkSteven
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Increased copays will have the same effect on the participants of the program as would increased taxes. As I said, call it what you will the result is the same thing. I realize you stepped into the conversation with what you feel are correct statements. They aren't. But you have the right to post them. I am just coming back, again, to correct you.
Thank you very much for granting me free expression. I appreciate it.
Saying that two things have the same effect is not equivalent to them being the same thing. And you are incorrect when you say that they will have the same effect on the participants. Increased taxes will burden all taxpayers, and raising copays will burden only the participants. I had stated that previously in the block of text that you quoted in your response.
Since you've stated that you are correcting me and that I am wrong, would you care to show exactly where I was wrong, as opposed to an unsupported blanket statement? I'm kind of curious.
The quote has your proof, read it. you can starve to death or be shot in the head....the affect on you is the same. your dead!
No, fella, you're not getting off that easily.
I asked you to show me where I was wrong. If you're simply tossing around untrue statements without any justification, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for you. Just telling me that it's somewhere in my quote, and I should read it, is ducking me. I have reread my post and I can find nothing wrong - you will have to show me.
You made your statement, now back it up. Be a man. Specifically, what did I say that was wrong?
In bold shows you that I specifically said that inceased taxes and increased copays would result in the same effect with participants. What about that is so hard to understand? You seem to think because they are administered differently that they won't hurt participants the same way. There is no need for google proof since it is something that most reasoned people can understand. Take money they don't have out of their pockets and the result is the same. You can call it a "copay" all you want.....The problem is that you and your buddy wilbur and the like sit and pontificate about things that cause real damage to actual people. Put yourself in their shoes once, just once, and I think you will come away with a different perspective.
I appreciate you being more specific.
That said, I'm not wrong. They do NOT have the same effect at all. By using the term "participants", you're confusing this a bit because there are two sets of participants - those that pay taxes, and those that receive the benefits. (I'm not counting the government as a participant, nor the health care provider, just the people that pay.)
Karl Marx's adage was "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." That's the ideal of the tax system, in which the recipients of benefits get the benefits while at the same time not having to pay directly for it - the cost is spread amongst all taxpayers. If there was a tax hike, it would affect ALL taxpayers, not simply the ones receiving benefits. An increased copay would affect only those receiving benefits.
Er, I HAVE been in the state of being broke and not having resources to meet my bills. I'm terrified that that might happen again someday.
DYB, I get the feeling that you're a "big picture" kind of man. I'm an engineer by training, and tend to focus on details....
Edited to add: the problem is that the budget is ugly. We're going to have to up taxes, or cut spending (unless we hike inflation to wipe out the debt, which is at least as nasty as the alternatives). There are no attractive ways out of this, unless you buy the Laffer Curve fantasy that tax cuts will magically create enough economic activity to generate revenue that more than offsets the cuts. (W pretty much disproved that by cutting taxes and watched the economy get flushed down the toilet as a result.)
< Message edited by DarkSteven -- 3/18/2011 5:20:22 PM >
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