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RE: Bipartisan effort... for some. - 3/16/2011 9:31:24 AM   
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The House has passed a stopgap measure to continue funding the federal government until April 8, with over 50 Republicans bucking their leadership to oppose the three-week spending bill.

Fifty-four Republicans – more than many observers expected -- voted against the continuing resolution, which GOP critics said demonstrated a lack of seriousness about solving the nation’s long-term budget woes.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/15/6274913-54-gopers-buck-leaders-as-short-term-budget-bill-passes-house?GT1=43001

The FAILURE of Obama, Pelosi and Reid to enact a budget for 2011 when the Republicans could not stop them demostrated THEIR lack of seriousness about solving the nation's buget woes...short-term and/or long-term.

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RE: Bipartisan effort... for some. - 3/16/2011 9:36:07 AM   
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Fund raising means crap. The far left and the far right raise the most money. The moderate middle which very few in congress left doesn't really contribute steadily. That is why the " canidates always go back to the base. For the money" in truth the moderate middle which makes up a majority of people in the us. Can elect anyone. The problem is very few run. The faright and left run then come to the middle for votes. Most polls show most americans as fisically conserative and moderate social. Ie we want financial to be controlled and measured but we want social issues also. The problem is that doesn't work since we don't actually have a party that supports those ideals. Hence we. Go to the democrats for change and the republicans for fiscal responsibility and they run on those platforms to get the moderate vote.

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RE: Bipartisan effort... for some. - 3/16/2011 9:38:02 AM   
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The FAILURE of Obama, Pelosi and Reid to enact a budget for 2011 when the Republicans could not stop them demostrated THEIR lack of seriousness about solving the nation's buget woes...short-term and/or long-term.


To what magic do you then attribute the failure of the republican house to enact a budget for the fiscal year? 

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RE: Bipartisan effort... for some. - 3/16/2011 10:03:52 AM   
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Fund raising means crap. The far left and the far right raise the most money.


At least someone realizes Obama is far left.

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RE: Bipartisan effort... for some. - 3/16/2011 10:10:50 AM   
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If you read the budget their is so.much crap in there and they are trying to protect their kingdoms. Their is so.much bs we pay for. 500k for seaweed clean up I. Hawaii bridge to know where. Etc

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RE: Bipartisan effort... for some. - 3/16/2011 10:43:43 AM   
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If you read the budget their is so.much crap in there and they are trying to protect their kingdoms. Their is so.much bs we pay for. 500k for seaweed clean up I. Hawaii bridge to know where. Etc


Do you have any clue how much $10 Billion pays towards those good paying jobs in the private sector? How about $100 Billion? A very good chunk (about 65%) of the Defense Budget, is more or less, 'Middle Class Welfare'. If you truely wanted to balance the budget by slashing costs without raising taxes as well, you'll have to starve the Defense Budget by $600 Billion/year. How fast would your concept die at the federal level? Time isn't measure in so fast an increment.

$100 Billion, does not buy just ten times that of a $10 Billion supply of money. Its the scale of economies at work. A $100 Billion buys much more then just a mere ten times. Do you think this money just simply vanishes from sight and the accounting books? The goverment handles a lot of business with businesses small and large, in tens of thousands of avenues. Cutting that money out, WILL directly affect those businesses.

The result is pretty obvious for anyone with a post high school diploma: Lay-Offs. A business gains 'X' amount of gross profit, doing business with the Goverment. Remove that money and the first thing the business must do is cut back on expenses. The removal of labor is not something the business owner(s) truely want. Finding new help that is profiecent as the current employees (at a future date) will be time and funding consuming processes. But to 'save the company' they'll be forced to lay off many good US Citizens to the unemployment market.

DURING A RECESSION! When the unemployment rate is already one one of the worst since the Great Depression! This is your 'brilliance' taken to the logical conclusion.

You want to balance the budget? Raise the taxes. The amount of jobs lost, from those taxes being raised is far inferior, to the number that will be generated by slashing the budget. And one American could find scores of places they would label as 'wasteful spending', to which another American defines it as 'money well spent'. In our form of Goverment, the majority doesn't rule by 'mob rule'; but rather, protecting the individual from the masses. You still have a problem with that; take it up with the Founding Fathers.

The rich, managed to convince non-rich people, that raising their taxes (the rich, not the non-rich) from the 35% it is now, to 39% would have had dire consequences for the economy. That mere 4% the rich would have to pay in taxes, would have generated $700 Billion alone. That would have gone a long way towards axing out the deficit. Slashing the budget and raise the taxes further, would give the nation a surplus, to which we could apply that directly towards the principle of US Debt we currently hold.


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RE: Bipartisan effort... for some. - 3/16/2011 10:46:52 AM   
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