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DommeKeliDallas -> Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 1:18:27 PM)

Has anyone bartered a BDSM session before?




stellauk -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 2:25:13 PM)

There have been attempts but I find it usually pointless (a) it's hard to place a material value on a lot of BDSM activities and (b) usually one or the other has unrealistic expectations.




sexyred1 -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 2:26:21 PM)

What do you mean, bartered? As in bartering for a pro-session in lieu of money exchange?

Like what, say if you whip me I will wash your car? That kind of thing?




SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 2:29:07 PM)

No like the Dominatrix does on House when the guys sick... She suffocates him... and he cleans her house and does her taxes.




sexyred1 -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 2:30:05 PM)

There's a Dominatrix on House?

Perhaps I should start watching it again. [;)]




DommeKeliDallas -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 3:26:38 PM)

ANY kind of bartering.




littlewonder -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 3:27:58 PM)

I have never done sessions so no. I've heard of others doing so though.




stellauk -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 5:09:44 PM)

With response to ANY bartering any such transaction usually involves a certain degree of altruism on one or both sides.

This altruism doesn't always enter into a bartering transaction. In the past I have done my fair share of maiding for dommes often with little or no expectations because the play given in response didn't quite meet expectations. Not that I had any high expectations to begin with, but it was play for the wrong reasons, out of obligation and therefore cannot be compared to play in general. This is how I learned a bit more about altruism and what it really means in practice.

Another reason why it doesn't work is that usually bartering arrangements involve elements of both service and kink and the assumption that they are interchangeable and can be exchanged. I disagree and find that service and kink are not the same, they are rarely if ever compatible and even in one relationship constitute separate elements of that relationship. There is an element of 'do me' in many proposed BDSM bartering arrangements and it exists on both sides of the kneel - examples are the male submissive who seeks play only for reasons of his own gratification and the female dominant with an over-inflated sense of entitlement stemming from her self-imposed title seeking service.

Some degree of altruism and allowances need to be made for such an arrangement to be successful. If not either the service will generally be substandard or the play and kink be somewhat disappointing. This is because the concept of barter often involves the illusion that BDSM is something generic, instant, universally applicable when in reality it isn't.

I have nothing against pro-dommes and indeed see a session with a pro-domme as being no different to going to a concert to see a live band. You are not paying so much for the time of the Dominatrix, or indeed for the kinks themselves, but you are paying for her experience, her knowledge, her creativity, her individuality and her ideas and skill of taking your needs and desires and transforming them into reality.

I mean you pay to see a band because of the exact same reasons - their individuality, their creativity, and their artistic and musical competence.

This is also the same when it comes to service submissives which is why now when a domme approaches me out of the blue and wants me to clean her apartment I charge the set rates, and she is paying me for my experience, my skills, creativity, and my knowledge of service. Genuine service isn't something you find off the internet, you can't ever hope to walk in off the street and achieve the same standards (with the exception of course of a female submissive who is conditioned to serve through being a woman which comes close).

This doesn't mean that I will no longer clean for free, and there are times even in vanilla domestic cleaning jobs I have cleaned a house from top to bottom and refused payment. I will happily clean for my friends free of charge and people I know. But like everyone else I am picky about who gets my altruism and who doesn't and I would assume that the same is true on the other side of the kneel.




LPslittleclip -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 9:03:05 PM)

will cook and clean in exchange for a beating[:D]




hausboy -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 9:10:25 PM)

I'm not sure this qualifies as bartering....
but I have a mutually beneficial relationship with my Households....quite similar to what Clip describes. [;)]
Chances are.....if he stopped disciplining me....I'd probably stop cleaning for his House....but if I stopped cleaning, then he'd REALLY discipline me....hold on, here....  I think I've got some leverage here....hmmmmm...

All kidding aside, I don't really consider it quid pro quo.  (no pun intended on the "pro" part)  We both have talents that the other has a need/desire for.  I would not be interested in getting "services" from someone if I thought/knew the only reason they were doing it was because they felt obligation because of something I did for them. 






tazzygirl -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 9:15:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LPslittleclip

will cook and clean in exchange for a beating[:D]


Ohhhhhhh if only I could get away with it... you would be a very busy, and bruised, boy. [;)]




ResidentSadist -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 9:16:14 PM)

... nvm




WyldHrt -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 9:29:48 PM)

quote:

will cook and clean in exchange for a beating[:D]
Ummm.. is it getting warm in here, or is it just clip's hotness? [:)]




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 9:33:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DommeKeliDallas

Has anyone bartered a BDSM session before?


Yes, I have.  It can work if both people are clear, fair, honest and up front about what the expectations are.




Kana -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 10:55:21 PM)

*Sneers n leers*
I'm a Dom. I don't barter, especially with slaves/subs.
I take. My way, or the highway.




SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 11:07:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

There's a Dominatrix on House?

Perhaps I should start watching it again. [;)]

First season one of the last 5 episodes.




IronBear -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/17/2011 11:16:06 PM)

Have done maintenance on the understanding I could fuck the lady of the house or her hubby paid.. But I was young and stupid then and adjudged everything using my little head.. 




mummyman321 -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/18/2011 1:33:02 PM)

I have bartered sevices for custom built dungeon furniture. I design & build wood and metal dungeon furniture as a side hobby for friends and the occasional trade for play.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/18/2011 4:37:50 PM)

No but I had someone who wanted to barter with me.  She needed some work done on her house and made an "offer" for payment.  I suggested cash and she was none to happy.




Prinsexx -> RE: Bartering Sessions... (3/18/2011 7:14:30 PM)

I'm more than most ever bargained for.




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