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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 2:21:21 PM   
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The Bible, as a whole, doesn't endorse anything consistently, except perhaps that one should love God. It is a collection of texts, some written more than a thousand years ago, most more than two thousand, that say all sorts of things, some beautiful, some not. So what? In other news, the sky is still blue.


It is commonly believed that the Bible is a valid source of moral codes and ethical behaviour. A more extreme interpretation of this is that the Bible is the only source of morality. Both perspectives are widely held and promoted today.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me to question whether a text that is at best equivocal about slavery has any relevance as a source of morality or ethics in today's world. It is just as reasonable, it seems to me, to question whether either of the above interpretations is valid and to promote alternative understandings, morals and ethics.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 2:31:17 PM   
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In my opinion because of that he was superior to Jesus - but unfortunately still a Jew.


Rule, comments such as the one I have bolded above are offensive and completely unnecessary. If you are stupid enough to hold racist prejudices please keep them to yourself. They are your problem. Deal with them.

Please do not insult the readers of these forums with this type of disgusting racist crap again.



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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 3:32:49 PM   
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It is commonly believed that the Bible is a valid source of moral codes and ethical behaviour. A more extreme interpretation of this is that the Bible is the only source of morality. Both perspectives are widely held and promoted today.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me to question whether a text that is at best equivocal about slavery has any relevance as a source of morality or ethics in today's world. It is just as reasonable, it seems to me, to question whether either of the above interpretations is valid and to promote alternative understandings, morals and ethics.

Quite.

Since I disagree with some of the morality in the Bible, it is not as a whole a valid moral code.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 4:29:47 PM   
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It seems perfectly reasonable to me to question whether a text...

Questioning the text, instead of the people who use it to justify their objectionable behaviors, smacks of an agenda that we've seen before in human history, and which has never done anyone any good.

K.




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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 4:32:06 PM   
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More reasons why I think ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT.  I am so glad to be in the company of others that believe the same like the late George Carlin, Sir Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens (almost the only point of agreement I have with him) and of course Bill Maher. 

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 4:38:55 PM   
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More reasons why I think ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT. I am so glad to be in the company of others that believe the same like the late George Carlin, Sir Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens (almost the only point of agreement I have with him) and of course Bill Maher.


All paid comediens, except one. LOL. Great base for your beliefs.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 5:07:15 PM   
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To me it is better than basing my beliefs on a book filled with fiction and half-baked allegories.  Then again it is only my opinion, and who knows I could be wrong; though I highly doubt it.


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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 5:59:54 PM   
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But, thats just me.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 7:51:21 PM   
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Tazzygirl, I have no idea what you studied, but I agree that you don't seem to grasp the difference between a science and a history degree. It's great to know that Louis Pasteur invented the first rabies vaccine using rabbit brain tissue. But if I want to figure out which strain of rabies virus infected a person, I would be better served by learning PCR than reading Pasteur's primary documents about his  research.
And with that, I am done stating the obvious about science education.

I think the original issue - whether this alternative translation is a good idea or not - is interesting because it has happened time and time again throughout history. No religion remains unchanged. What starts off as an oddball idea eventually grows accepted and spurs its own offshoots and mutations.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 7:54:07 PM   
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And with that, I am done stating the obvious about science education.


~chuckles

Im sure you are.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 9:43:56 PM   
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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 10:43:09 PM   
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Tazzygirl, I have no idea what you studied, but I agree that you don't seem to grasp the difference between a science and a history degree.


I meant to add this before the man got frisky.

I hold three degrees. A BS in Business, A BS in Accounting, and a Nursing Degree.

What is your science degree in?

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 10:48:03 PM   
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Questioning the text, instead of the people who use it to justify their objectionable behaviors, smacks of an agenda that we've seen before in human history, and which has never done anyone any good.

K.


Sorry K you have lost me completely here. Some clarification please.

Are you saying it's out of order to question the text? How else might we understand, interpret or evaluate it without asking questions about its meaning(s)? Without understanding the text, how can we identify those people whose insidious agenda you allude to? What is this dark agenda you referred to?



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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 10:48:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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Rule
In my opinion because of that he was superior to Jesus - but unfortunately still a Jew.


Rule, comments such as the one I have bolded above are offensive and completely unnecessary. If you are stupid enough to hold racist prejudices please keep them to yourself. They are your problem. Deal with them.

Please do not insult the readers of these forums with this type of disgusting racist crap again.



That is but one reason I have rule on ignore.
Same here. It's a Nederlander Jew-hating neo-nazi with maggots crawling around in its brain (or what passes for one). There is nothing it can write that I want to read.


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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 11:09:47 PM   
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I think the original issue - whether this alternative translation is a good idea or not - is interesting because it has happened time and time again throughout history. No religion remains unchanged. What starts off as an oddball idea eventually grows accepted and spurs its own offshoots and mutations.


Excellent point. I too find it odd that so many religious ppl are in denial about the very principle and process - evolution - that helped enable their institutions and ideologies in the first place.

This principle can be applied to the fields of ideology, linguistics and culture, as well as its well known application to biology. When things cease adapting to their circumstances, they are effectively guaranteeing their ongoing irrelevance and eventual obsolescence.


Edited to add: welcome to forums! Happy posting!

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/21/2011 11:28:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Out of curiosity, tweak, are you saying religion hasnt "adapted"?

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/22/2011 1:13:41 AM   
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Out of curiosity, tweak, are you saying religion hasnt "adapted"?


It's perfectly obvious to me that is neither stated nor implied in my post. So I am unclear about what may have sparked your curiosity in this instance.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/22/2011 1:47:13 AM   
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It's a Nederlander Jew-hating neo-nazi with maggots crawling around in its brain (or what passes for one).

lol

I am Dutch, yes.

I do not hate Jews, nor anyone else that I am aware of.

I am not a neo-nazi.

I dunno about the maggots nor about the brain.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/22/2011 6:55:36 AM   
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Excellent point. I too find it odd that so many religious ppl are in denial about the very principle and process - evolution - that helped enable their institutions and ideologies in the first place.

This principle can be applied to the fields of ideology, linguistics and culture, as well as its well known application to biology. When things cease adapting to their circumstances, they are effectively guaranteeing their ongoing irrelevance and eventual obsolescence.


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Out of curiosity, tweak, are you saying religion hasnt "adapted"?

It's perfectly obvious to me that is neither stated nor implied in my post. So I am unclear about what may have sparked your curiosity in this instance.


Actually it is implied. Sorry you got all defensive about it.

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RE: New Bible draws critics of gender-neutral language - 3/22/2011 6:58:03 AM   
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