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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 7:31:04 AM   
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I could, but why on Earth would I put so much more effort in here than I see any of you leftists contributing. Whats the best any of you (for the most part) offer here? Knuckle dragging guffaws as you hurl your weak minded insults. I am the yin to your yang, the reaping of what ye sew.

You really want a definition, then stay tuned as I offer an honest opinion every time i post, unless of course I am responding to another lowlife personal attack from some half drunk leftard fool

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 7:31:21 AM   
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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:37:31 AM   
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I didntt write, cut and paste a definition, did I.



What exactly would you like to be defined then?

You want examples?

How about Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Rumsfeld, and others who were involved in The Project For The New American Century.

And just ever so coincidentally many wound up with positions in the Bush administration.

A further coincidence is that this group pushed for invading Iraq long before 9/11.

So, we had a number of people in the Bush administration that had long advocated regime change that suddenly found an excuse to do it.

By the way, how's the search going for those WMD's?






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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:57:14 AM   
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There are a few factors operating here that enable a different perspective this time round.

It seems to me that the key factors that are enabling this intervention are:
1. The call by the Arab League for a no fly zone; and



Don't you think between Egypt and Saudi Arabia the Arab league is perfectly capable of enforcing a no fly zone? Sure they can… we supplied them with some of the best planes and training. I don't know about you but I'm tired of being the worlds policeman...It is time for the Arab world to stand up for themselves.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 9:05:33 AM   
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If we don't go to Libya, we would be going somewhere else anyway.


Like Japan?

I decided to edit this to make it clearer.

We, as in the US, do have other concerns at the moment. Two wars still being faught and americans that need to be evacuated from Japan.

Isnt it time we started putting ourselves first a tiny bit?


Putting ourselves FIRST is NOT the American way these days.
Might as well REALLY attempt to help another country.

Fuck American citizens, we hardly want to do that!
lol, outsourcing, cutting programs, helping the poor and disenfranchized, slashing government programs is the order of the day!Time for many sweeping budget cuts and union busting, so we can lower most Americans standards of living, so we can be like China one day.
USA right now is on the downward track, in case you had not noticed.

This country is so fucked right now, do you thinking helping those in Libya makes a fucking difference?
lol
I say lets help some other countries, we might need another country to go to in the future.


Don't think its any different over here with the cuts which are going on over here

Yesterday one guy on a politics show complained that the UK is such a small country, now has to send so many of their own people into wars...I think he said something like that the UK would send most or almost most (would need to rewind on sky to doublle check which ) compared to other countries....now...I don't know the figures so I stay out of naming figures, but just saying that there views and situation are similar over here

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 9:16:37 AM   
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I agree about Iraq, it was a disgrace that the US invaded.. they did not attack us and we had no right or business going there. We were justified to go into Afghanistan to get the planners of 911...We should have followed them to Pakistan... then left. We have no right to nation build anywhere in the world...But we do have the right to defend ourselves.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 9:54:30 AM   
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It wouldn't have cost to much to take out the runways that allowed Qaddafi's jets to take off. It would have at least given the rebels a chance.


Of course not, practically costs nothing to fly all those aircraft.

But be sure to come back and complain again about the waste of money the next time Obama takes a trip on Air Force One.



saving lives.....vacation for him and his entourage yup, definitely an equivalency

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 3:40:29 PM   
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If we don't go to Libya, we would be going somewhere else anyway.


Like Japan?

I decided to edit this to make it clearer.

We, as in the US, do have other concerns at the moment. Two wars still being faught and americans that need to be evacuated from Japan.

Isnt it time we started putting ourselves first a tiny bit?


Putting ourselves FIRST is NOT the American way these days.
Might as well REALLY attempt to help another country.

Fuck American citizens, we hardly want to do that!
lol, outsourcing, cutting programs, helping the poor and disenfranchized, slashing government programs is the order of the day!Time for many sweeping budget cuts and union busting, so we can lower most Americans standards of living, so we can be like China one day.
USA right now is on the downward track, in case you had not noticed.

This country is so fucked right now, do you thinking helping those in Libya makes a fucking difference?
lol
I say lets help some other countries, we might need another country to go to in the future.


Don't think its any different over here with the cuts which are going on over here

Yesterday one guy on a politics show complained that the UK is such a small country, now has to send so many of their own people into wars...I think he said something like that the UK would send most or almost most (would need to rewind on sky to doublle check which ) compared to other countries....now...I don't know the figures so I stay out of naming figures, but just saying that there views and situation are similar over here



And yes, that is a good point, Cameroon rattling on about a no fly zone, what was he hoping, others take up the lead, for surely the UK can't do it, because the UK is skint, or so we are all being constantly told. Furthermore, the unrest in North Africa and other parts of the Mid East, is highlighting the extreme danger in the governments traitorous plans to decommission 260 military ships and planes to basically save money, methinks if this idiot Cameron and his gimps are not stopped, there is a very real fear Britain will once again be caught with it's pants down is something hefty kicks off in the next few years.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 4:25:47 PM   
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It wouldn't have cost to much to take out the runways that allowed Qaddafi's jets to take off. It would have at least given the rebels a chance.


Of course not, practically costs nothing to fly all those aircraft.

But be sure to come back and complain again about the waste of money the next time Obama takes a trip on Air Force One.



saving lives.....vacation for him and his entourage yup, definitely an equivalency


Oh for God's sake!

You do know that every American President used Air Force One for diplomatic trips and personal uses?

Yet somehow we have conservatives saying Obama should be taking the Greyhound.

So yes, their is an equivalency when someone who routinely complains about the cost of the President using a military aircraft and then dismisses the costs of numerous military aircraft to do bombing runs as not costing too much.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 4:44:36 PM   
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So youre okay with the first lady flying a huge entourage to Spain for a lavish stay to cheer up a friend... but you absolutely draw the line at using some jet fuel to help an an entire nation shed their dictator for life?


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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 5:02:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am completely ok with letting the people of Libya taking care of their own problems.  I am not the least bit interested in putting our people in harms way for a civil war.

Where do we stop?  Do you want to provide air cover and support for the people in Georgia who want to get out from under Russia? 

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 5:50:55 PM   
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Did you forget to take your dementia pills panda?

One day you claim I am on your ignore list the next youre coming unhinged because Ive been pushing all of your buttons again...



And exactly what day was that, Mr. Pussy-Hiding-In-A-Tree?


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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 7:19:04 PM   
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I am completely ok with letting the people of Libya taking care of their own problems.  I am not the least bit interested in putting our people in harms way for a civil war.

Where do we stop?  Do you want to provide air cover and support for the people in Georgia who want to get out from under Russia? 


Well, from our news services ths evening, it looks like a US general will be in charge of the operation, something the Frnch aren't happy about, but Britain is supplying Typhoon aircraft, which I believe are as of yet unable to bomb and decrepit Tornados which those that supported our government cull on our military capability said needed twenty four hours notice to get them ready for use. Obama is saying no occupation and no ground troops, Cameron is promising this will not be another Iraq and I believe the UAE is supplying aircraft to the mission.

So this thing is moving now, but the big question is where does it stop, what is the cue for the combned forces to pull out, Gaddafi out of power, or his aircraft out of action. There is a lot of fear this might get messy and as usual Britain and the US are in the front line.

But a personal observation on those countries that are the leaders in this, France, ex colonisation of North Africa and Imperialistic tendancies, the UK similarly and the US in recent decades, three imperial nations, and two of them with ancient influence in the region, I just hope above hopes that the younger imperialistic country is not thinking of empire.

Oh and a final word, does this intervention into another country's nation forging set a precedence, the combined forces acting on this one, will they also do the same with other countries around the world that are experiencng similar problems, or is it if they have no commodities the west wants, they will just be ignored as they are already ?

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:03:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hear you Aneirin, that is part of what bothers me as well.

I don't remember ever seeing Sanity proclaiming we should step in and help the people fighting their tyrant in Sudan.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:06:46 PM   
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So youre okay with the first lady flying a huge entourage to Spain for a lavish stay to cheer up a friend... but you absolutely draw the line at using some jet fuel to help an an entire nation shed their dictator for life?



Any place the FL goes a huge entourage will follow. She is required to have the SS with her at all times.

Most of the attacks are based on the premise that the First Lady’s trip is costing American taxpayers money. Glenn Bleck told listeners that the trip “is costing you $75,000 a day,” and Tarantos claimed that Michelle Obama was bringing along “40 of her ‘closest friends.’”

Because the right wing has propagated so much misinformation about the size and cost of the First Lady’s trip, the Chicago Sun-Times’ Lynn Sweet published an article setting the record straight today.

First, Michelle Obama brought only Sasha (Malia is at summer camp) along with two close friends, each of whom also brought their daughters.

Second, the entire group paid for their own lodging and personal expenses. The New York Times reported that Michelle even reimbursed the government for the equivalent of two first-class commercial tickets for the flight on Air Force Two. (Her friends flew separately, on commercial flights).

Finally, most of the rooms booked at her hotel in Spain belonged to Secret Service agents, and as Sweet wrote, “No matter where she goes — domestic or international — any first lady gets protection and she does not decide how many agents are needed.”

These right-wing commentators were curiously silent when the Bush family took vacations. The New York Times noted that Laura Bush took a vacation every year of her husband’s presidency, with Secret Service agents and a government plane. Also, Media Matters calculated the cost of President Bush’s frequent trips to his ranch in Crawford, TX, Camp David, and the family compound in Kennebunkport — he took more vacation time than any president — and put the tab at $20 million for air travel only.

These facts have not stopped the right-wing commentators from going into overdrive on this story, however. Perhaps they need a vacation.


http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/09/michelle-vacatoin/



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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:33:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Michelle Obama Criticized as "Modern-day Marie Antoinette" Over Spain Vacation


Yeah, she rented out the entire Ritz Carlton, talk about luxury!

Beside the point though.

rml is bemoaning  some jet fuel costs going towards helping the people of Libya, if we can pay to fly Marie Antoinette and all her friends around the globe why cant we afford to help free a few peasants


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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:37:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		She didnt rent it out, Sanity. She has no choice where she stays. Thats a Secret Service decision, just like with the President. She has no choice on how many SS travel with her. And, you keep saying all her friends... when the truth is, she brought two friends, who flew seperately, along with their daughters.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:43:24 PM   
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She didnt rent it out, Sanity. She has no choice where she stays. Thats a Secret Service decision, just like with the President. She has no choice on how many SS travel with her. And, you keep saying all her friends... when the truth is, she brought two friends, who flew seperately, along with their daughters.


Knowing that would require that he actually read the article. Which, in turn, would require that he be able to read. Which he has proven, many times over, he is not capable of.


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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:45:23 PM   
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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/18/2011 8:46:45 PM   
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This is coming fromthe queen of the "eat the rich" crowd though.

You know, those filthy disgusting rich people who need to be made to suffer for stealing the governments money - money that supposed to be providing free food and free health care and free housing and cars and liquor and drugs and whores for the poor nonworking class


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