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Police consider a bunch of old people with picket signs... - 3/21/2011 11:01:06 AM

ChiDS

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWdu_vaeI7c&feature=player_embedded

It was one thing seeing our police's response to the G20 protests in Pittsburgh PA. (and don't worry I was appalled by that as well) But this is HARDLY and unlawful assembly. There's less than 100 people and they are not doing anything wrong. It pains me to the extent our country has fallen. True first amendment rights seem to be a thing of the past. I ask you all. When will enough be enough? When will the authoritarian mafia that runs our country, go too far for you to bare?

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:02:24 AM

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Whoa... were you here in Pittsburgh when the G20 was happening?

As far as your video. I saw no brutality. No one was beaten. They were lead away peacefully. Are you sure you understand what brutality looks like?

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:19:52 AM

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I agree. The g20 fiasco in Pitt was terrible.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:19:53 AM

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Where did I claim brutality? I claimed a breach of the first amendment. They were dispersed due to what exactly? How was this an unlawful assembly? My point being they had NO RIGHT to disburse those protesting citizens.

on brutality (my mistake, i figured you were talking directly about my post, not the link itself)

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:21:52 AM

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I asked you about the G20. Something pahunk knows nothing about beyond prison planet and you tube.

Were you here?

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:24:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChiDS

Where did I claim brutality? I claimed a breach of the first amendment. They were dispersed due to what exactly? How was this an unlawful assembly? My point being they had NO RIGHT to disburse those protesting citizens.

Side note: Why do people on this site insist on putting words in my mouth?

The heading of the video you posted....

Police brutality against Col. Ann Wright and Daniel Ellsberg at Free Bradley Manning Protest

Again, there was no brutality that I saw.

Second, not only did they try and access the administrative building on a military base, they blocked the intersection leading to the base. Thats how it was unlawful assembly.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:24:47 AM

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I was there for part of it. Smart enough to leave before things got ugly. When anarchists start destroying shit, it's not wise to stick around and be associated with them.

So then how come in Wisconsin when so many marched the capital, it was not declared unlawful? You didn't see storm troopers did ya? A group of less than 100 elderly men and women holding signs is a disorderly mob now? If this is where you draw the line, then all those people with the Free OJ signs should have been treated the same way right? Just in comparison of course. But shame on us for wanting to address grievance. Shame on us for valueing our first amendment rights. And shame on those individuals who think its horible how Manning is being held, his basic human rights in serious question. Yes let those storm troopers do their job. How could we ever question the authority of our mafia/gov.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:31:08 AM

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First, the protests were not just old people. Look beyond youtube for your information. CNN has a link showing hundreds in attendance, and definitely not just old people.

The Wisconsin incident didnt invole a military base. The ex Col should have realized what they were stepping up too.. and probably did for the media attention.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:36:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChiDS

I was there for part of it. Smart enough to leave before things got ugly. When anarchists start destroying shit, it's not wise to stick around and be associated with them.

So then how come in Wisconsin when so many marched the capital, it was not declared unlawful? You didn't see storm troopers did ya? A group of less than 100 elderly men and women holding signs is a disorderly mob now? If this is where you draw the line, then all those people with the Free OJ signs should have been treated the same way right? Just in comparison of course. But shame on us for wanting to address grievance. Shame on us for valueing our first amendment rights. And shame on those individuals who think its horible how Manning is being held, his basic human rights in serious question. Yes let those storm troopers do their job. How could we ever question the authority of our mafia/gov.

She wont see it that way. Her party is in the white house.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:36:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

First, the protests were not just old people. Look beyond youtube for your information. CNN has a link showing hundreds in attendance, and definitely not just old people.

The Wisconsin incident didnt invole a military base. The ex Col should have realized what they were stepping up too.. and probably did for the media attention.

Oh I agree. I served my country in the USN. She knew what would happen just as I did even before I watched the clip. The point being though. The oppressive gov can do whatever they like to us. We are cattle. But when we have a grievance we cannot retaliate in kind. Even a non-violent protest falls victim to post 9-11 hysteria.

< Message edited by ChiDS -- 3/21/2011 11:37:56 AM >

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:37:00 AM

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Based upon what I saw the police in full riot gear did seem to be a bit over the top but we have to bear in mind that we don't always have all the information. It looked to me like those protestors might have been blocking the street, which would be cause to remove them. There could be a dozen other reasons we haven't thought of (E.G. have they been violent in earlier protests?).

quote:

Side note: Why do people on this site insist on putting words in my mouth?

Not refering specifically to Tazzy (who strikes me as one of the more level headed posters around here) here, but in general:

People tend to pass the words of others through an ideological filter, focusing on the one thing that pushes their issue button. From there they make a series of presumptions and conclusions. The process usually works something like this:

Oh look, Joe Schmoe said "A." If he said "A" then he probably believes "B" and if he believes "B" then he almost certainly believes "C," and anyone who believes "C" is an ___________ (fill in the blank with whatever political/religious/social outlook that you hate). And, of course, all _________ are evil assholes.

The person engaging in this process can now proceed to give themself a self flattering mental stroke off by putting the evil asshole down (after all, they are an evil asshole So I am clearly morally and intellectually superior).

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:38:54 AM

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You want to go arrest a military base? Be my guest.

Wisconsin didnt arrest because its civilians against the government... not civilians against the military. Those military folks dont care who you are voting for in the next election. They dont worry about your vote at all. Wisconsin did.

You seem like an intelligent young man. On what premise do you suggest its ever lawful to impede the operations of any US base?

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:42:27 AM

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LOL. Oh man.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:45:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You want to go arrest a military base? Be my guest.

Wisconsin didnt arrest because its civilians against the government... not civilians against the military. Those military folks dont care who you are voting for in the next election. They dont worry about your vote at all. Wisconsin did.

You seem like an intelligent young man. On what premise do you suggest its ever lawful to impede the operations of any US base?

What? Do you even know why they were there? Because of the unconstitutional treatment of Manning. In no way were they protesting against the military itself. If any comparison can be made it would be that they are protesting the treatment Manning is receiving while in military custody, under orders by our gov. No protest here is or will be against our military and their service members. The military only acts under orders.

PS - How does one arrest a military base? Lol... Jus sayin.

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Shall we be trotting home again?'
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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:49:58 AM

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Later police arrested dozens of protesters for apparently blocking an intersection leading to the base. Prince William County police did not provide CNN information about the arrested protesters Sunday night, including what possible charges they might face.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/21/wikileaks.protest/index.html?section=cnn_latest

I will ask again...

On what premise do you suggest its ever lawful to impede the operations of any US base?

Also note I have not said one word about Manning or his actions. The arrests had nothing to do with Manning, and everything to do with the protesters.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 11:59:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

Later police arrested dozens of protesters for apparently blocking an intersection leading to the base. Prince William County police did not provide CNN information about the arrested protesters Sunday night, including what possible charges they might face.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/21/wikileaks.protest/index.html?section=cnn_latest

I will ask again...

On what premise do you suggest its ever lawful to impede the operations of any US base?

Also note I have not said one word about Manning or his actions. The arrests had nothing to do with Manning, and everything to do with the protesters.

Ok, how about this then. We the people, our money, built that base. So the gov took our money saying "trust us". Now when we find we cant "trust them" we stand and protest for redress of grievance. Which is our constitutional right. Then they tell us its THEIR property we cannot stand there. I am sorry, but this is America and American's built this country. This is how things change. Without demonstrations like this our rights will never be recognized and protected.

And to your direct question to me: When the operations of said base contradict the CONSTITUTION they are sworn to uphold and protect. IE you can't stick a US sticker on a pile of shit and tell me its a fuckin cupcake. I'm sorry, I'm just not that stupid.

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"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 12:06:03 PM

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Ok. Lets use your analogy.

My group wants to protest the local fire department because the chief was in a fight over the weekend and he hurt someone else. we go and protest, blocing the exit for the fire trucks.

In your analogy, we should be allowed to block those trucks because we paid for them with our taxes.

Your analogy doesnt fly.

In your and the protestors opinions, the military is perpetuating a crime. Two wrongs never make anything right.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 12:06:12 PM

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You need a parade permit, or the equivalent, to block traffic on a public road. That is cause for arrest anywhere in the country. Ellsberg et al was trying to get arrested that is why they resisted the attempts to push them off the road.

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 12:12:21 PM

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When the operations of said base contradict the CONSTITUTION they are sworn to uphold and protect. IE you can't stick a US sticker on a pile of shit and tell me its a fuckin cupcake. I'm sorry, I'm just not that stupid.

Actually, I thought you were smart. Forgive me.

How are they contradicting the Constitution? By following orders? Are they following orders or is this some renegade base that is following its own dictates?

Im hardly one to just go with the status quo here. And Im a firm believer in protests leading the way to many social and political changes.

What I saw was a group of protestors engaged in their rights to protest. And I saw a group of police engaged in their duties.

No one was brutalized. Reminded me alot of the sit-in protests of old.

Actions have consequences. Your video was had picked, and released on youtube, to stir up the emotions of young people like you, and of course the tin hat constituents like pahunk. And it worked. But just like the video of the young man disappearing during the G20, those videos are made to lead your emotions where the poster of those videos want your emotions to go.

They are protesting a cause. They also broke the law. Should anyone get a free pass based upon age or the reason why they are doing something?

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RE: Police consider a bunch of old people with picket s... - 3/21/2011 12:26:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

It looked to me like those protestors might have been blocking the street, which would be cause to remove them.

Damn right. I noticed that too. We don't have the whole story here.

K.

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