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Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitut... - 3/21/2011 9:04:10 PM

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Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack’

I guess he changed his mind huh?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-president-does-not-have-power-unde

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/21/2011 9:43:35 PM

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I guess he changed his mind huh?

Not the first time.

I wonder what the requirements are on how he has to notify Congress with 48 hours. Did he phone it in, send a letter, or just expect them to catch the presser from Rio?

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/21/2011 9:53:38 PM

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The War Powers Resolution allows such actions when following UN sanctions or actions.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/21/2011 10:41:01 PM

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Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack’

Unilaterally ... done or undertaken by one person.

I do not believe he, in any way, changed his mind.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/21/2011 11:05:30 PM

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Message edited by domiguy -- 3/21/2011 10:05:19 PM

That was probably a wise choice, DG. I was leaving that for one of the slower conservatives, who needed a confidence booster.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/21/2011 11:50:30 PM

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Not this shit again...tiresome now. How quickly they forget.

We never declared war on N. Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Balkans, Iraq or Afghanistan. If the War powers act is good enough for all of that...it's good enough now. Get over it, we have the just the newest dems version of all of the rest in the past.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/21/2011 11:53:34 PM

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IN this case no mater what the conservatives think the president was pretty much obligated to authorize the cruise missile strikes. I quote the US constitution Article six, paragraph 2:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;* and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

*emphasis mine

Now last time I looked WE (as in The United States of America) WERE SIGNATORIES TO THE UN CHARTER/TREATY. Therefore the assorted conservatives here really do not have a pot to piss in, in this case. It is lawful, and we are supposed to abide by our treaties, or do the less than brilliant here wish to argue that Truman was in violation of the constitution when he sent troops to Korea at the behest of the UN???

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/21/2011 11:55:26 PM

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Ummm..

The War Powers Resolution of 1973

Some of those were before the updated War Powers act.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 12:09:03 AM

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Ummm..

The War Powers Resolution of 1973

Some of those were before the updated War Powers act.

Picky, picky....yes, so you have me wondering just how we did get into those wars before 73 and after WWII. I am thinking the pres. ordered them to go...and shoot.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 12:14:12 AM

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LOL.. just keeping it all real.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 5:05:58 AM

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FR...

Look... those are HIS words not mine folks.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 5:25:14 AM

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I believe he said he would not put troops on the ground. I remember my neighbor who watched it with me say, bombing and putting troops on the ground are 2 separate things.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 6:42:57 AM

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So much for "no boots on the ground," unless the Air Force has pilots flying in flip-flops.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/22/libya.civil.war/index.html?hpt=C1

And the notification of Congress was accomplished with a letter.

Report from Jake Tapper of ABC News

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 7:04:48 AM

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I wonder if those planes are coming out of Vincenza, or Iraq or somewhere else.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 7:06:29 AM

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Aviano in Italy.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 7:30:56 AM

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Well, when a plane malfunctions, there is no choice but for the pilots to land on the ground...unless you're figuring they can sprout wings and stay afloat in the air that way. And were we to just leave our pilots there, wandering aimlessly? I didn't read where any ground combat took place. And this is what I read in the Letter link you posted......

The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster. Accordingly, U.S. forces have targeted the Qadhafi regime's air defense systems, command and control structures, and other capabilities of Qadhafi's armed forces used to attack civilians and civilian populated areas. We will seek a rapid, but responsible, transition of operations to coalition, regional, or international organizations that are postured to continue activities as may be necessary to realize the objectives of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973.

Now, with that said, I can easily see it turning into a ground battle if the right conditions ensue. But I don't think we're there yet...and hope we don't get there. Let the French have this round of "fun".

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 7:36:20 AM

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Aviano in Italy.

Thx, yeah.........DUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHH. I was thinking dogface. Old habits and all.......

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 8:36:30 AM

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IN this case no mater what the conservatives think the president was pretty much obligated to authorize the cruise missile strikes. I quote the US constitution Article six, paragraph 2:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;* and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

*emphasis mine

Now last time I looked WE (as in The United States of America) WERE SIGNATORIES TO THE UN CHARTER/TREATY. Therefore the assorted conservatives here really do not have a pot to piss in, in this case. It is lawful, and we are supposed to abide by our treaties, or do the less than brilliant here wish to argue that Truman was in violation of the constitution when he sent troops to Korea at the behest of the UN???

I don't think the UN resolution requested or required that the US in particular and specifically to engage in combat in Libya.

It was "advisory" not "directive" to all UN members. The US is just one UN member. Fighting and/or bombing Libya by the US was therefore discretionary, not obligatory.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 9:00:40 AM

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The War Powers Resolution allows such actions when following UN sanctions or actions.

Quote please.

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RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Const... - 3/22/2011 9:04:22 AM

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I will remind you that Obama campaigned on the premise of getting us out of foreign wars where we have no business being there. This is none of our business. It's an attempted revolution, and when people attempt revolutions they have to expect there will be consequences. Which means innocent people will sometimes get killed. The national news is even asking the question 'if the basis for our attack on Libya is to protect civilians, then why aren't we doing the same in Bahrain, and Yemen?'

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