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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 5:45:33 AM

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Sorry, general blast. you were just the last one that posted..

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 5:49:49 AM

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 5:30:49 PM

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Ahh,... the good ole days of Vietnam. Everyone had "gook" ears and teeth that they yanked out with pliers hanging around their necks and if someone didn't spill the beans they'd take them up in a helo to about a thousand feet and push them out.
I believe in torture so there's not much sense in debating the bleeding hearts in here.

My Lai must have been a hoot eh ? Anyone who feels murdering innocent civillians is "The good ole days" is sick in the head.

PoliteSub, there's a lesson there isn't there? "Don't get involved in wars and military conflicts in foreign countries when it doesn't concern you!"

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 5:43:12 PM

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PoliteSub, there's a lesson there isn't there? "Don't get involved in wars and military conflicts in foreign countries when it doesn't concern you!"

Yet you still havent addressed the point about murder and mutilation.

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 5:54:42 PM

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PoliteSub, there's a lesson there isn't there? "Don't get involved in wars and military conflicts in foreign countries when it doesn't concern you!"

Yet you still havent addressed the point about murder and mutilation.

PoliteSub, if you don't do the above you won't get the latter!

You're in England and surely see this all the time. You're walking down the street and two blokes pour out of a pub fighting.
What are you going to do, walk over and get involved?
Not only no but Hell no!
England and the U.S. simply can't be getting involved in the internal conflicts of foreign countries anymore. It *never* works!

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 5:58:56 PM

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I can see that Popeye.

BTW I can only respond to what you post, as I did earlier.

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 6:02:15 PM

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He cant mention it because someone he knows was involved
*because its wrong and against the law*
War fucks people over, monsters come out of the ashes
There are as many reasons as there are excuses.
It should not be glorified, for the perpetrators and the victims, we are a long long way from that

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 8:53:26 PM

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What do you expect Lucy,this is popeye .Surely you didn't expect some sort of reasoned post made by an evolved human being who just might happen to know the difference between conducting oneself in an honorable fashion or rather, under the cover of a war zone, indulging the worst of man's basest instincts.

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 9:37:14 PM

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Ahh,... the good ole days of Vietnam. Everyone had "gook" ears and teeth that they yanked out with pliers hanging around their necks and if someone didn't spill the beans they'd take them up in a helo to about a thousand feet and push them out.
I believe in torture so there's not much sense in debating the bleeding hearts in here.
Who exactly is fighting this war, the Press or the Military? The Press certainly isn't the Military's friend!
Respect the enemies corpses after they tried to kill you but you got them first? What kind of "thinking" is that? Hell I'd break their jaw, stuff a grenade in it, pull the pin and hoof it.

What is really disturbing is obvious relish and pleasure with which horrors are recalled and replayed.

I can understand how an individual behaves appallingly in an appalling situation that by rights no human being should be forced to endure. While far from condoning it, I can understand how that might happen. But to revel in the filth, to recount it nostalgically, to pine for it, to replay the gory details in admiring tones - that takes a special kind of person.

Perhaps the saddest aspect is that it really doesn't matter if popeye's recall is truthful or not. If the events happened and his recall is accurate, then that tells us something of consequence about popeye. If he's imagining it all, if all the above quote is his fantasy ..... then I invite you to draw your own conclusions.

I find those veterans who refuse to talk about the details, who refuse to glorify or mythologise war far more credible and far more heroic. Picasso's 'Guernica'* is infinitely more instructive and eloquent than popeye's nostalgia. Picasso's genius reveals the true horror of war, a universal truth if ever there was one. Popeye's account merely reveals the horror of being popeye.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting)

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 9:59:14 PM

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Ahh,... the good ole days of Vietnam. Everyone had "gook" ears and teeth that they yanked out with pliers hanging around their necks and if someone didn't spill the beans they'd take them up in a helo to about a thousand feet and push them out.
I believe in torture so there's not much sense in debating the bleeding hearts in here.
Who exactly is fighting this war, the Press or the Military? The Press certainly isn't the Military's friend!
Respect the enemies corpses after they tried to kill you but you got them first? What kind of "thinking" is that? Hell I'd break their jaw, stuff a grenade in it, pull the pin and hoof it.

What is really disturbing is obvious relish and pleasure with which horrors are recalled and replayed.

I can understand how an individual behaves appallingly in an appalling situation that by rights no human being should be forced to endure. While far from condoning it, I can understand how that might happen. But to revel in the filth, to recount it nostalgically, to pine for it, to replay the gory details in admiring tones - that takes a special kind of person.

Perhaps the saddest aspect is that it really doesn't matter if popeye's recall is truthful or not. If the events happened and his recall is accurate, then that tells us something of consequence about popeye. If he's imagining it all, if all the above quote is his fantasy ..... then I invite you to draw your own conclusions.

I find those veterans who refuse to talk about the details, who refuse to glorify or mythologise war far more credible and far more heroic. Picasso's 'Guernica'* is infinitely more instructive and eloquent than popeye's nostalgia. Picasso's genius reveals the true horror of war, a universal truth if ever there was one. Popeye's account merely reveals the horror of being popeye.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting)

More bullshit. Trust me, nothing in a painting can come close to the reality of being there.

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 11:17:24 PM

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More bullshit. Trust me, nothing in a painting can come close to the reality of being there.

Yes Willbur. I find understanding the point being made before reacting to it a useful way to do things. Please try it sometime ... you might find it works for you too

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 11:24:25 PM

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More bullshit. Trust me, nothing in a painting can come close to the reality of being there.

Yes Willbur. I find understanding the point being made before reacting to it a useful way to do things. Please try it sometime ... you might find it works for you too

Whats to understand? your words were quite clear.

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/24/2011 11:34:48 PM

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I can understand how an individual behaves appallingly in an appalling situation that by rights no human being should be forced to endure. While far from condoning it, I can understand how that might happen. But to revel in the filth, to recount it nostalgically, to pine for it, to replay the gory details in admiring tones - that takes a special kind of person.

How many rape victims have you talked to?

The things that you have just described often happen to the victim of rape. That is one of the reasons it is so hard to overcome.

Another question for you:

You have 50,000 young men signed up for war. Should they NOT feel pride in their job? Their job is killing after all. How do you want them to feel about their job and actions?

How do you reconcile the idea of "you need to hate yourself for what you do, yet you need to do your best"?

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/25/2011 4:00:30 AM

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Another question for you:

You have 50,000 young men signed up for war. Should they NOT feel pride in their job? Their job is killing after all. How do you want them to feel about their job and actions?

How do you reconcile the idea of "you need to hate yourself for what you do, yet you need to do your best"?

Regards the incident in question, there is no pride in murdering innocent civillians, which is what happened here. It isnt what your troops have been trained to do either.

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RE: Blame Pres. Obama, or Palin??? - 3/25/2011 7:44:55 PM

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How do you reconcile the idea of "you need to hate yourself for what you do, yet you need to do your best"?

My post criticised another post boasting to have committed slaughter of civilians, murder and torture of prisoners, mutilation of corpses, and suchlike ghoulish behaviour.

Could you please clarify which of these crimes qualifies as "doing your best"?

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