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truckinslave -> Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/23/2011 4:13:25 PM)

We heard all that shit before the election that 0bama0 and the Dims wouldn't push new gun-grabber legislation.

Chuck "E-cheese" Shumer is, however, at it again. This little jewel would negate your 2nd Amendment rights even if you were the victim of a drug-related false arrest.

If the public was both well-informed and in firm possession of a sense of humor [:D] Republicans should sponsor and pass two amendment to the bill, just for fun, before killing it:

1. A nonseverability clause.
2. A provision to strip individuals of their First Amendment rights for being fined for overdue library books.



Kirata -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/23/2011 4:17:39 PM)

Personally, I think we'd have a lot less gun violence if you were not permitted to carry a firearm without smoking a joint first.

K.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/23/2011 4:25:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Personally, I think we'd have a lot less gun violence if you were not permitted to carry a firearm without smoking a joint first.

K.


Its still violence if you shoot and miss!
(Though I was far better in night fire exercises under the influence...I had so much experience with hallucinated tracers that I was top notch with the real thing!)



jlf1961 -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/23/2011 4:59:18 PM)

Instead of trusting some ultra right wing bullshit page, read the damn bill. CONVICTED FELONS are to be put in a national database for instant record check.

Text of S. 436: Fix Gun Checks Act of 2011

The bill does not say "people arrested."


Man if I could make a dime on getting right wing conservatives to believe bullshit I would be a rich man.



Lucylastic -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/23/2011 5:22:24 PM)

even a nickel would make ya rich




tazzygirl -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/23/2011 6:33:23 PM)

But, that must mean that being convicted of a crime can make it impossible for someone to own a gun... something that is totally against the 2nd amendment.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/23/2011 7:35:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Chuck "E-cheese" Shumer


Please dont demean a helpless mouse by using his name for that piece of shit.



truckinslave -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/24/2011 5:02:31 AM)

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read the damn bill.


Maybe you should follow your own advice.

From the [:D] "ultra right wing bullshit page [:D]:

Sponsored by New York Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer and introduced earlier this month, the expanded background checks bill includes a “clarification of the definition of drug abusers and drug addicts who are prohibited from possessing firearms.” Under Schumer’s bill, the definition of a “drug abuser” would include anyone with “an arrest for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past 5 years.”


From the doomed, proposed bill:
SEC. 104. CLARIFICATION OF THE DEFINITION OF DRUG ABUSERS AND DRUG ADDICTS WHO ARE PROHIBITED FROM POSSESSING FIREARMS.
(a) Inferences of Abuse- Section 921 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
‘(c) Unlawful User of Any Controlled Substance-
‘(1) IN GENERAL- An inference that a person is an unlawful user of a controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)) may be drawn based on--
‘(A) a conviction for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past 5 years;
‘(B) an arrest for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past 5 years;

I mean, yeah, it sure is hard to believe a libtard like shumer has so little respect for the Bill of Rights -NOT- but whaddaya gonna do? There it is.



tazzygirl -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/24/2011 5:13:52 AM)

(c) Definition- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 103(a), is amended by adding at the end the following:

‘(37) The term ‘addicted to any controlled substance’ includes a person ordered by a court into a diversion program designed for abusers of or addicts to controlled substances as part of a criminal or juvenile delinquency proceeding, regardless of whether the person was convicted, whether the court made a finding of guilt, or whether the program accepts participants who are abusers of or addicted to substances other than controlled substances.’.

See, you can be arrested and never convicted due to plea bargaining your way out of it or into a treatment program, without ever admitting you actually did drugs.



truckinslave -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/24/2011 5:39:27 AM)

I'm not sure I understand your point here tg.

I quoted the proposed new bill; as I read it you could be arrested for possession of a joint, be found not guilty, and lose your 2nd Amendment rights.

Or, for that matter, "paraphernalia" found to contain "traces" of a controlled substance.
Chuckie didn't take his rabies meds, that's all.



tazzygirl -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/24/2011 5:41:27 AM)

What Im saying, truck, is that someone arrested for such can plea bargain their way out. Now, if I remember correctly, an arrest that is found not guilty isnt treated the same as an arrest that is pleaded out.



truckinslave -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/24/2011 5:44:20 AM)

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an arrest that is found not guilty isnt treated the same as an arrest that is pleaded out.


It would be under section 104 if it is amended as shumer proposes.



DomKen -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/24/2011 7:14:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

We heard all that shit before the election that 0bama0 and the Dims wouldn't push new gun-grabber legislation.

Chuck "E-cheese" Shumer is, however, at it again. This little jewel would negate your 2nd Amendment rights even if you were the victim of a drug-related false arrest.

Two quick points
Obama != Chuck Schumer
A false arrest, if it really is false, can be expunged from your record by order of a court. Seems reasonable to me to ban people who have been arrested for drug crimes from owning firearms for 5 years unless the person can get a judge to clear their record.



truckinslave -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/24/2011 7:48:23 AM)

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Seems reasonable to me to ban people who have been arrested for drug crimes from owning firearms for 5 years unless the person can get a judge to clear their record.


Well, it certainly doesn't to me.
Not that it matters. Care to wager that this bill gets passed?



flcouple2009 -> RE: Bad bust to eliminate Bill of Rights? (3/24/2011 8:30:14 AM)

So what?  Your trying to raise the crack head dope smoker army?

Criminal behavior can cause you to lose certain rights.  To use a favorite saying of the right, "If your not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about". 



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