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jlf1961 -> Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 6:51:45 PM)

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NEW YORK – Dozens of bills are advancing through statehouses nationwide that would put an array of new obstacles — legal, financial and psychological — in the paths of women seeking abortions.

The tactics vary: mandatory sonograms and anti-abortion counseling, sweeping limits on insurance coverage, bans on abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. To abortion-rights activists, they add up to the biggest political threat since the Roe v. Wade decision of 1973 that legalized abortion nationwide.

"It's just this total onslaught," said Elizabeth Nash, who tracks state legislation for the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive-health research organization that supports abortion rights.

What's different this year is not the raw number of anti-abortion bills, but the fact that many of the toughest, most substantive measures have a good chance of passage due to gains by conservative Republicans in last year's legislative and gubernatorial elections. On Tuesday, South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard signed into law a bill that would impose a longest-in-the-nation waiting period of three days before women could have an abortion — and also require them to undergo counseling at pregnancy help centers that discourage abortions.

Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states


I find it funny that the party that says it promotes personal rights, is trying to legislate abortion rights away.



tazzygirl -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 7:01:11 PM)

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bans on abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy


That part seems silly to me. 1.4% at or after 21 weeks.



Lucylastic -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 7:02:18 PM)

sliding back to the 19th century
god help women in the US



tazzygirl -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 7:06:29 PM)

I get the feeling this is a short term wave. Lucy.

Not to mention these laws have not met court challenges yet. So much for fiscal responsibility. Pass stupid laws to have those laws contested in courts. [8|]



Lucylastic -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 7:22:27 PM)

I should look on the positive side:)
Yep exactly its all a damn smokescreen, never m ind the cost of all those lawyers getting fat and happy, gotta fuck with the women s rights first, 



tazzygirl -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 7:23:44 PM)

Women and children first... the American way.



TheHeretic -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 7:34:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Pass stupid laws to have those laws contested in courts. [8|]



The religious wing of the party eats this shit up, Tazzy. It's great fund-raising for both sides.

I pretty much ignore it, because it will go away.



tazzygirl -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 7:53:10 PM)

I agree, Rich. This is all smoke and mirrors to make the purse strongs open wide.



domiguy -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 8:08:53 PM)

In Illinois this is how we do it.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 8:21:09 PM)

The sad thing is that coathangers aren't made of wire any more. They're of non flexible plastic.


(Irony OK folks before I have to put on flame proof underwear)



TheHeretic -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 8:44:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

In Illinois this is how we do it.



Oh the horror, DG. That abortion clinics might have the means on hand to keep at least one of the two heartbeats that go into the room going, if something goes badly wrong. It's the END of Roe v. Wade!

Also, they should require larger parking areas and wider sidewalks at the clinics. Between the protesters and the volunteer escorts, who are there all day, the poor women coming in for a flush shouldn't need to park two blocks away.



Selectivelight -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/23/2011 9:06:52 PM)

It won't do anything to prevent abortions, but it might just give the coat hanger industry the shot in the arm it needs to make it in the 21st.

Honestly though, I'm pro-choice, for -ironically- purely ethical reasons. I am of the opinion that religious institutions expect far too much pull in how our laws are written. Last I checked we hadn't elected them into public office, so they should do us a favor and kindly shut the fuck up.

(This tasteless post brought to you by alcohol and insomnia! Now available in eight packs!)





Termyn8or -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/24/2011 4:24:26 AM)

UFR

Where to start .........

This is due to one of two things. Granted these people are far removed from their constituencies, and their agenda has nothing to do with what the People want, but for them to do something other than golf all the time (which I wish they would) there is a reason they fiddle [around] while Rome burns.

There is of course a contingent of "them" who feel strongly that they must legislate morality, and/or fill the jails, but then the majority of "them" really would rather play golf. So there are two possible reasons.

The first being that they want more children borne to the young, non educated, non critical thinking Parent(s). These people are easier to fool and thus so are their offspring. This is not etched in stone, but is a trend. They want people who are more easily manipulated. People raised on their television, easily sold. Children raised by children. Sheeple. Lemmings.

The other possibility, and not mutually exclusive is that they are providing a distraction, i.e. a cover for their theft. "Look at this" while they pick your pocket. As state budgets go south making national recovery even more difficult if not impossible, this fifty year old issue is important ? Come on, I was born at 8:05 AM, but not 8:05 AM yesterday.

None of these assholes are qualified to serve, and serve they don't, unless you count them serving themselves. Not only do they provide diverion from the real issues, they are so aloof that they don't see how utterly ridiculous it is to have a society in which capital punishment is allowed, but not abortion or euthenasia. In fact such a situation indicates that they crave the ultimate power over the People - that of life and death.

Oops, that's three reasons. Seeking the Bible belt vote doesn't make as much sense as it used to obviously. But then, maybe they think it does, perhaps they are that stupid. A power hungry, religious theif need not be very intelligent.

It's all a bunch of bullshit.

T^T



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/24/2011 4:55:25 AM)

This is nothing more than using the power of the state to attempt to force a religious agenda on women. The State has no legitimate interest whatsover doing so. Forcing a waiting period violates the freedom of association clause of the 1st Amendment. Requiring sonograms not only places an undo burden on poor women, but also is an egregious misuse of scarce medical resources.

This is the pigfuckers of the religious right continuing their war on the autonomy of women. They hate free women. Fuck them.



truckinslave -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/24/2011 5:48:31 AM)

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The State has no legitimate interest whatsover doing so.


Perhaps you have never actually read Roe v Wade, which acknowledges an increasing state interest in the baby from the second trimester forward.

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Forcing a waiting period violates the freedom of association clause of the 1st Amendment.


That's funny. Thanks.



Louve00 -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/24/2011 5:55:11 AM)

The thing the bothers me over it though is you force a woman for moral reasons to have a baby.  She can't afford it, she applies for public assistance.  We scream we shouldn't have to support poor people.  Arent't we creating our own problems by meddling in another's (a woman's) problems or decisions?



tazzygirl -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/24/2011 5:55:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

This is nothing more than using the power of the state to attempt to force a religious agenda on women. The State has no legitimate interest whatsover doing so. Forcing a waiting period violates the freedom of association clause of the 1st Amendment. Requiring sonograms not only places an undo burden on poor women, but also is an egregious misuse of scarce medical resources.

This is the pigfuckers of the religious right continuing their war on the autonomy of women. They hate free women. Fuck them.


As I said, they also eat at the budgets of state governments with all the legal challenges these are sure to bring.



Moonhead -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/24/2011 5:57:22 AM)

Particularly as it's the same party that tends to regard welfare programmes as an abomination that's opposed to birth control...



Louve00 -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/24/2011 6:00:12 AM)

Yes, exactly!  As Arizona's governor gets ready to sign a bill that will incarcerate Dr's or clinicians for participating in a woman's decision to pay for her own abortion and end any health concerns, financial concerns...whatever the concerns were.  We...well, some of us...like to meddle in business that isnt ours. 



kdsub -> RE: Wave of anti-abortion bills advance in the states (3/24/2011 6:08:29 AM)

Lucy if women agreed with you then there would be no antiabortion bills.



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