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DprdJeff -> A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/24/2011 6:04:22 PM)

I was just reading through these forums, trying to get a feel for the people that post here. Not really seeing anything related to my own views.

A lot of dominant men are sadists. Others just like to exert control. Is there anyone else like me that just really enjoys bringing a woman into subspace?

For clarity:
I'm not much of a sadist. I get no particular satisfaction from the infliction of pain;
I'm not really excited by the act of exerting control;
I'm not interested in having a slave that submits to my every whim.

What really excites me and turns me on is watching a woman enter subspace and helping her stay there for an extended period of time. This means I find out what activities help her achieve this mindset and I assume the role most appropriate for her. Some women can only achieve subspace through pain and/or corporal punishment. Others need humiliation. Some need only strict control.

Any other dominants out there with similar views? Just curious.



CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/24/2011 7:18:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DprdJeff

I was just reading through these forums, trying to get a feel for the people that post here. Not really seeing anything related to my own views.

A lot of dominant men are sadists. Others just like to exert control. Is there anyone else like me that just really enjoys bringing a woman into subspace?

For clarity:
I'm not much of a sadist. I get no particular satisfaction from the infliction of pain;
I'm not really excited by the act of exerting control;
I'm not interested in having a slave that submits to my every whim.

What really excites me and turns me on is watching a woman enter subspace and helping her stay there for an extended period of time. This means I find out what activities help her achieve this mindset and I assume the role most appropriate for her. Some women can only achieve subspace through pain and/or corporal punishment. Others need humiliation. Some need only strict control.

Any other dominants out there with similar views? Just curious.


In the beginning, the subspace issue was the greatest hotness for me.  Really pushed my buttons.  I didn't stop to think until I read your post that yes, it could be considered a fetish as making someone space gets me aroused.

However...control does something for me emotionally on many levels; it feeds me.  Sadism is unexpectedly taking a deeper bite into me than before.  The wave I ride from this feels different...more energizing and not as physically erotic.  I cannot explain it well.

So there you have it.  At least one YES.  [;)]



littlewonder -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/24/2011 7:26:59 PM)

sounds like you're a service top...they're extremely common. You'll fit in just fine.




IronBear -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/24/2011 8:06:02 PM)

never thought  about it Jeff. I am a sadist, true. No great sexual thrill but more the pleasure of an artist in making the infliction of pain a sophisticated art form, just as the tears after should be an art-form the way they run down her face or hall hot onto my skin.. Similar I like to have my dominance being akin to a military precise operation and as such another aspect of human art-form..

Now sub-drop..... Hmmmm I actually see this as something akin to a pagan drawing a god or goddess into them when celebrating a full moon which is akin to the Santera where a priest/ess is "Ridden by a Deity" (Possession).. So yes I possibly stand there too with you but I fail to see it as a fetish but rather as another aspect of human art-form more like to a good choreography where the Dance master plays the Puppet master and using strings manipulates the depth and length of the down swoop into sub-space. From a psych aspect this is most interesting....



Kana -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/24/2011 9:56:35 PM)

I'm a sadist and I love dropping girls, hopefully so hard that when they try to stand while on the way back up, there legs wobble so much they have to crawl.
I'm all about wathing her eyes fall to half-mast as she plummets into subspace.



LadyPact -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/24/2011 10:14:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

sounds like you're a service top...they're extremely common. You'll fit in just fine.



I would have to agree.  Everything that you have written here speaks "service top" to Me.

It is a great thing to be a service top.  It fulfills something in someone else, and even you, to an extent.  At the same time, I can't look at such in the same way that I do as sadism for Myself.

In sadism, I see passion, beauty, and art.  Not for someone else.  When I am in the throws of such, it's not external and about pleasing someone else.  It is in Me.  The mechanics might be the same, but it does not effect us in the same way.

Sadism is a joy, in and of it's own right.  Taking the sub to space?  Great!  I'm happy for the both of you.

What if they don't go?  What if there is just a passion that you know exists on your side?  Can you get off on it when they don't?  When watching them suffer alone speaks to you?  That they <gasp> submit to you will in dishing out pain?

A service top doesn't experience that.  A sadist does.



BurntKitty -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/24/2011 10:31:28 PM)

I could use a service top like the OP every once in awhile. Too bad you're on the other side of the country.... literally.



porcelaine -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/25/2011 5:58:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Now sub-drop..... Hmmmm I actually see this as something akin to a pagan drawing a god or goddess into them when celebrating a full moon which is akin to the Santera where a priest/ess is "Ridden by a Deity" (Possession)..


That's an interesting comparison. Both in the drawing down and the mounting mentioned. The former is self initiated and doesn't provide the carte blanche that the latter does or come with its 'demands' for lack of a better word. And I'm speaking of those that have been officially cut when making that remark. But my bigger question is in relation to the similarities you've noted between these things and subspace. Can you expound a bit? You've piqued my interest.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



IronBear -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/25/2011 7:52:13 AM)

Probably, best I start by saying that to the best of my knowledge I have never entered subspace per se. However it would appear that entry into sub-space via pain may be similar that people undergoing torture or even in sever pain for long periods of time following an accident may well enter an identical "space". Again as far as I am aware, there has been no study to compare the two (may look at this as part of a PhD later). I will however work on the premise that the two areas are similar and having entered this "space' as an escape from interrogation personally on several occasions, I feel I can draw some  conclusions which I hope will help here.

As a Pagan Priest/Wiccan High priest and Mage, I have oft "Drawn the God" and especially prior to higher initiations when I have been the Initiator as well as prior to being the male counterpart in a Wiccan "Drawing down of The Moon" in which the Goddess is both self induced by the Priestess and induced my her male counterpart the priest. In my part i would self induce the God into me. The experience is not hard to describe, the feeling is that you have been yanked non too gently out of your body but are aware of what is happening and still able to experience all the feelings and emotions and thus remain functional but as though it is by remote control. Euphoria is the most apt description I can give. The feeling of being able to visit the celestial bodies, walk the moon beam path and be better then a mere human being in as much as the negative conditioning is removed and feeling a purity not normally experienced. Now over 40 years of working in this way both teaching and practicing, I have never found any priestess who has any grerat differencve in their experience that I have with mine. Both experience a large emotional sexual energy and later a need for sexual release in a primal way..

In many of this I found a similarity, similarity mind you not an exact sameness to what I have experienced in a pain induced altered state. The over all experience was similar enough to draw a parallel for this point.. With regarding the mounting of a Santera Priest I have also experienced this and again found the euphoria to be again similar to that in the Wiccan areas and yet differences in the level of power feeling and the feeling of being a God.. I found the sexual need and desire to be even stronger in this latter state and have or so I am informed, sexually performed well above my normal abilities but unfortunately I have only the most fleeting memories of this but remember the exhaustion and sadness when I recovered as though I had and then lost something special. (On a side bar to this, can you imagine the feeling when being lasciviously smiled at and hesitatingly touched by a woman (or man) who you can not remember meeting after the event and understanding they you have performed when being ridden with her but have no precise memory of such an act? Frustrating is only one word I would use).

Although there is no emperical study or even an excat parellel between these things and the experience of sub-space I do believe that I am correct in concluding that there are similarities enough to believe these experiences may well be on the same altered state level if not on the same space....

In conclusion I should say that if I have the right partner, all BDSM acts and especially the SM areas take on for us a ritual and thus magickal experience which may well induce feelings or experiences differing from those same acts by non practitioners.. I have discovered a new area which I can incorporate for those of my ilk to better their practicers in the arcane arts in a more primal,way which is all good .. I have no doubt that there may be many who have different memories which is good too.. it just adds to the understanding of Sub-Space.

My apologies for the length it is jolly difficult to respond in a short version but had no intent to pen another book..



sexyred1 -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/25/2011 8:03:15 AM)

OP, I agree that you are a service Top and that is just fine. You don't have to be anything, just because others are sadists, Dominants, etc.

There are many subs who enjoy service Tops and seek relationships with them.

I don't view your interest in pleasing subs as a fetish for subspace, I view it as a man who likes to please his partner, in whatever manner she needs to attain her version of subspace.



porcelaine -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/25/2011 9:06:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

With regarding the mounting of a Santera Priest I have also experienced this and again found the euphoria to be again similar to that in the Wiccan areas and yet differences in the level of power feeling and the feeling of being a God.


I posed the question for a specific reason in addition to what you've shared and I thank you for doing so. When you speak of being mounted by an Orisha I am drawing a distinct difference in my mind from one undergoing this as a practitioner and priest. Both can have the experience but one avails himself to entry always and it isn't something he solely initiates. And while he can draw it down it also comes calling unexpectedly.

quote:

I found the sexual need and desire to be even stronger in this latter state and have or so I am informed, sexually performed well above my normal abilities


It sounds like Shango. :)

quote:

On a side bar to this, can you imagine the feeling when being lasciviously smiled at and hesitatingly touched by a woman (or man) who you can not remember meeting after the event and understanding they you have performed when being ridden with her but have no precise memory of such an act? Frustrating is only one word I would use).


Not really. *chuckles* Liaisons of that nature and its offshoots (sex magick) would be intentional indulgences. I don't dance in that realm with everyone.

quote:

In conclusion I should say that if I have the right partner, all BDSM acts and especially the SM areas take on for us a ritual and thus magickal experience which may well induce feelings or experiences differing from those same acts by non practitioners.


My concept of M/s is more in line with the ritual and deification that you're referencing. The coalescence that I speak of with my Keeper would involve these things. It's a full merging of the two.

quote:

My apologies for the length it is jolly difficult to respond in a short version but had no intent to pen another book..


No apology necessary. I appreciated the feedback. [;)]

Namaste,

~porcelaine



IronBear -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/25/2011 5:44:00 PM)

Delightfully, we are on the same page lass which is always wonderful..

quote:

When you speak of being mounted by an Orisha I am drawing a distinct difference in my mind from one undergoing this as a practitioner and priest. Both can have the experience but one avails himself to entry always and it isn't something he solely initiates. And while he can draw it down it also comes calling unexpectedly.


This has been both my learning and experience too..... I do find that with the right (for me) drumming such things the appearance and mounting seems to be induced much more readliy but I am informed that this is part of the mind and soul (if you will) understands the drums and adopts this as a trigger to attract a specific Orisha ...
Damn me if I am not struggling at times to drag up all I wanted to say, it seems to be eons since I last practiced with people and memories are not always that accurate. but Shango or Xango,  now we're cookin.. I have a strong affinity for that fella.... Had I had access to the right people earlier on I probably would have been a full time practitioner and perhaps even been accepted to be allowed to train towards priesthood..

Anyway lass thank you for your patience in reading my last post and hopefully there was something valuable in it... So much to understand and so little time to study it all.. I just treat sub-space as a special area.....






porcelaine -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/25/2011 6:40:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

This has been both my learning and experience too..... I do find that with the right (for me) drumming such things the appearance and mounting seems to be induced much more readliy but I am informed that this is part of the mind and soul (if you will) understands the drums and adopts this as a trigger to attract a specific Orisha ...


You avail yourself to the energy and presence. But if you opted not to do so there would be no ill effect. The requirement is different for an initiate. He is its horse and denial is out of the question.

quote:

Damn me if I am not struggling at times to drag up all I wanted to say, it seems to be eons since I last practiced with people and memories are not always that accurate. but Shango or Xango,  now we're cookin.. I have a strong affinity for that fella.... Had I had access to the right people earlier on I probably would have been a full time practitioner and perhaps even been accepted to be allowed to train towards priesthood..


Shango is very sensual as is Oshun. Perhaps it was not a path that you were meant to walk. It isn't one that you can put down and the demands are rather involved. They're quite jealous and don't share all that well. Keep in mind, you'd have a specific deity that owned your head and another that is secondary. You might have been told to relinquish other connections as a condition of initiation.

quote:

Anyway lass thank you for your patience in reading my last post and hopefully there was something valuable in it... So much to understand and so little time to study it all.. I just treat sub-space as a special area.....


You're more than welcome. It's nice to see that someone is riding the etheric planes.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



Arturas -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/25/2011 9:23:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DprdJeff

I was just reading through these forums, trying to get a feel for the people that post here. Not really seeing anything related to my own views.

A lot of dominant men are sadists. Others just like to exert control. Is there anyone else like me that just really enjoys bringing a woman into subspace?

For clarity:
I'm not much of a sadist. I get no particular satisfaction from the infliction of pain;
I'm not really excited by the act of exerting control;
I'm not interested in having a slave that submits to my every whim.

What really excites me and turns me on is watching a woman enter subspace and helping her stay there for an extended period of time. This means I find out what activities help her achieve this mindset and I assume the role most appropriate for her. Some women can only achieve subspace through pain and/or corporal punishment. Others need humiliation. Some need only strict control.

Any other dominants out there with similar views? Just curious.



It does excite me when I put a girl in subspace and bring her back because it means I'm damn good; It's not an easy thing to do. I do share pleasure in that with you and most Doms. But unlike you, I must exert total control. I enjoy inflicting what ever I wish on the submissive under total control.

But, I also do it for me and for her or it would not satisfy me. In other words, a one way pleasure act holds no satisfaction for me and I guage my effectiveness as a Dom by my satsifaction as well as hers, she must thank me earnestly for the pleasure I have derived from her. Does that makes sense? If so, I think we are more alike than different.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/26/2011 5:13:10 AM)

We could do this chicken or egg thing until no one would want an omelet again whether he is a service top or not, but he appears to enjoy spacing submissives and he’s doing what he wants. A Dom gives a submissive his domination. Service? Who the fuck knows?

So, yeah, I enjoy spacing a submissive physically by beating her or other play, but there are all kinds of variations of spacing. I may not be in the mood to have a spacey partner that day. I may want her fully cognizant and feeling things while she thinks about it and is able to verbalize emotions. I may want to have her company. I may want to do a quickie, in and out session with her. Or maybe it’s a newbie who has never spaced. It can be fun to introduce her to the exploding missiles in the night sky.

But it could be I am in the mood that day to keep her spaced for hours, lovingly hanging all over me and jumping at my every command and that’s what she craves. I wouldn’t exactly call that caving into her wishes if I want to do it and observe her in a helpless, submissive and suggestive state.

Spacing a girl is a valuable tool for a Dom and something I enjoy, too. I’m not to the point where it is my main focus for a scene, but if you want to do it, be good at it and do it much as you want.



phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: A Fetish for SubSpace? (3/29/2011 6:07:53 AM)

maser loves to get me to subspace he loves to see me feel my energy, also to see and feel the mushy me after. he isnt a sadist but loves to see my reaction to pain, so yes he also has a thing for subspace but the contol side is extremly important to him as well



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