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gungadin09 -> RE: The changing face of America (3/27/2011 11:11:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Census figures show that the new largest minority in the US are Hispanic-Americans at 16%...The reality is different and will becoming increasingly different over the next 40 years to the point that Whites will no longer be the majority.

It is a reality we all must face and begin to live with. To actually think we can control this demographic change is silly....What we need to do is embrace the new cultures around us and celebrate our diversity rather than try to control it.


Haha. No me preocupo. Hace muchos anos que hablo espanol.

pam

(In other words, pass the salsa.)




tazzygirl -> RE: The changing face of America (3/27/2011 11:33:33 PM)

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I have. Repeatedly. The celebration of non-functional diversity is divisive and provides no positive return.


If it makes a difference, Aylee, I think I get what you are saying. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

Its akin to saying... wow, your eyes are blue, you are obviously better than I am.

Or... you are male, so obviously you should get paid more than I do.

Its taking things that are inhereted and glorifying them.

Or choosing a Dr because they graduated from Harvard over another who graduated from Columbia, without caring the Harvard Grad graduated last in his class while the Columbia Dr graduated first.




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 12:04:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: zenny
How are you getting "I am tired of diversity" from "I am tired of celebrating diversity"?

Are you trolling or genuinely unable to understand her statements? If you just missed the word previously and feel committed, hey, it happens. Though I would really like to know.
I think it's you who is committed to a stance that isn't supportable, because it's contrary to facts known by anyone whether you lived in the US before 2011 or not. You don't type like a person who hasn't been to school, but your words are giving me pause... Especially the following
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I would say most schisms in politics regarding minorities is whether or not to give them special privileges (typically in incentives or exemptions). This is also the source of most of the discordance between the majority and those minorities and the source of the "us vs. them" attitude
You read my first reply to you about US purity and history, and now, you type this again?

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Aylee
This discussion has been about celebrating or not, attributes of an individual that they have no control over.
Aylee said
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I am tired of celebrating diversity. I do not think that it is even healthy to do so.
Celebrating diversity means celebrating differences. So first those differences have to be enumerated. Which leads to stereotyping and pigeon-holing people into some one-dimensional view.

It also sets up an Us versus Them mentality. You see it all the time and does not lead to harmony and happiness. It leads to the demonization of the "other."
More beautiful words were never spoken... But first, you'd have to poke everyone's eyes out, and do a lobotomy that removes everything they've learned in their lives before and after meeting someone who looks or behaves differently. You deliberately fail to see, that it's okay to be different, while being equal, in terms of our humanity.

I think you would agree, that most people, without active teaching against inhumane habits, and behaviors, will tend to belong to a group more like themselves, separate from others. You know for a fact, that without laws prohibiting inhumane treatment, it would be every man for himself, and obviously, that extends to one's family, and ancestors. You yourself, have posted a quote again and again, about the greatness of homogeneity in appearance, language (this part I agree with), customs, and religion. That is the most divisive quote I've read in a long time.

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I provided that quote to show that this country was NOT founded on diversity
No. You provided a quote, that shows you haven't opened a history book in at least 30years, and you have you eyes and ears tightly shut, so as to not learn anything inconvenient, or contrary to your stance. You don't sound dumb at all; so I'll have to conclude that your insisting on making this pattently false statement, and continuing to quote that blowhard, circa 1787 is wilfull. There is no confusing you with facts, since clearly your mind is already made up.
Good night Ms Aylee. M






gungadin09 -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 4:13:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Non-functional differences like race, language, age, sex, culture and even whether someone is homosexual. Ya know, those things that people want to celebrate.


***Bueno, pues, yo celebro la diversidad. Sin embargo, entiendo que hay algunos momentos en que causa problemas. Por ejemplo, mi mama ensenaba ESL en la escuela primaria, y habia una vez que, dentro de una clase sola, sus estudiantes hablaban 13 distintas idiomas. Es facil entender que esta cosa la causo problemas. Claro que no es posible ensenar en 13 idiomas a la vez. No es posible dar una prueba en 13 idiomas. Suele dificil hablar con los padres de los estudiantes que no hablan ingles. Etc. Estos problemas son el *precio* de la diversidad.***

Having said that, i can't imagine that the price for diversity is not worth paying. i guess when You say the "functions" of diversity You're *not* referring to the fact that it teaches compassion, open mindedness, teaches new things about others and ourselves, or the fact that it's downright interesting and fun, or even necessary for democracy. i guess You're not counting *those* reasons as "functional", although i think You should. They are not nothing. They are not nothing. But if *those* aren't really "functional" reasons for diversity, then what are?

Well, here are some:

Language diversity:
Having to learn Spanish improved my English usage, because the language mechanics i had been using unconsciously in English had to be consciously learned and applied in Spanish. In other words, learning Spanish made my English stronger. i'm learning about phonetics from Japanese and Chinese. My sister, the musician, was able to pick up Hmong (or was it Lao?) pretty easily, because of her tone training. My point is, learning one thing crosses over into another.

Racial and Cultural diversity:
How about the trade we do with other countries? Or simply the diplomatic relations that we have with other countries? Do You think that our country's own racial and cultural diversity doesn't have a profound effect on how other countries perceive us; how willing they are to trade? how willing they are to maintain diplomatic relations? How willing they are to listen to anything we say?

Sexual Diversity:
Working in the restaurant industry where there is such a clear division of labor that occurs, mostly, along gender lines, has showed me the kind of problems that can occur where there is lack of diversity. For example:

Because of the gender breakdown, the front of the house (service staff) often functions with a very different mindset and communication style than the back (kitchen). The difference can be partially attributed to the different nature of the two jobs, but also needs to be attributed to gender-- the fact that the front of the house is (usually!) primarily female and the back of the house is (usually!) primarily male.

This segregation of the two sexes often results in a rift between the front of the house and the back. It's that kind of rift that i was often called upon to fix, back when i was working in restaurants, being the one woman in the kitchen. The fact that i was there, and was *unlike* everyone else around me, gave me a unique perspective, that i could use for diplomacy.

Age Diversity
i know this one. i worked in a coffeehouse once where the crew was composed of people of various ages, from 18 to over 60. Personally, all the little high school kids on staff made me squirley. But some customers really liked them (especially the ones who were litle high school kids themselves). The again some of them liked us more, you know, "mature" folks. The point is that each of us had our own sort of fan base, and we were able to appeal to a wide variety of customers. That would *not* have been true if we had all been the same age.

Aylee, i see Your point. i can see how diversity is sometimes an incumbrance. But what i see much more is how it is an advantage, both functionally, and in terms of making us better people. i'm happy to celebrate all the things on Your list.

pam







Aynne88 -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 4:59:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

America's face looked just fine before the invasion of illegal Hispanics/Latinos and Muslims began.


A Muslim is someone that adheres to a specific religion, not a race of people.

How do you identify an illegal Muslim? [8|]...



They check those things out before you can get into a NASCAR race.



lol Rule. [;)].




Aynne88 -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 5:00:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Non-functional differences like race, language, age, sex, culture and even whether someone is homosexual. Ya know, those things that people want to celebrate.


***Bueno, pues, yo celebro la diversidad. Sin embargo, entiendo que hay algunos momentos en que causa problemas. Por ejemplo, mi mama ensenaba ESL en la escuela primaria, y habia una vez que, dentro de una clase sola, sus estudiantes hablaban 13 distintas idiomas. Es facil entender que esta cosa la causo problemas. Claro que no es posible ensenar en 13 idiomas a la vez. No es posible dar una prueba en 13 idiomas. Suele dificil hablar con los padres de los estudiantes que no hablan ingles. Etc. Estos problemas son el *precio* de la diversidad.***

Having said that, i can't imagine that the price for diversity is not worth paying. i guess when You say the "functions" of diversity You're *not* referring to the fact that it teaches compassion, open mindedness, teaches new things about others and ourselves, or the fact that it's downright interesting and fun, or even necessary for democracy. i guess You're not counting *those* reasons as "functional", although i think You should. They are not nothing. They are not nothing. But if *those* aren't really "functional" reasons for diversity, then what are?

Well, here are some:

Language diversity:
Having to learn Spanish improved my English usage, because the language mechanics i had been using unconsciously in English had to be consciously learned and applied in Spanish. In other words, learning Spanish made my English stronger. i'm learning about phonetics from Japanese and Chinese. My sister, the musician, was able to pick up Hmong (or was it Lao?) pretty easily, because of her tone training. My point is, learning one thing crosses over into another.

Racial and Cultural diversity:
How about the trade we do with other countries? Or simply the diplomatic relations that we have with other countries? Do You think that our country's own racial and cultural diversity doesn't have a profound effect on how other countries perceive us; how willing they are to trade? how willing they are to maintain diplomatic relations? How willing they are to listen to anything we say?

Sexual Diversity:
Working in the restaurant industry where there is such a clear division of labor that occurs, mostly, along gender lines, has showed me the kind of problems that can occur where there is lack of diversity. For example:

Because of the gender breakdown, the front of the house (service staff) often functions with a very different mindset and communication style than the back (kitchen). The difference can be partially attributed to the different nature of the two jobs, but also needs to be attributed to gender-- the fact that the front of the house is (usually!) primarily female and the back of the house is (usually!) primarily male.

This segregation of the two sexes often results in a rift between the front of the house and the back. It's that kind of rift that i was often called upon to fix, back when i was working in restaurants, being the one woman in the kitchen. The fact that i was there, and was *unlike* everyone else around me, gave me a unique perspective, that i could use for diplomacy.

Age Diversity
i know this one. i worked in a coffeehouse once where the crew was composed of people of various ages, from 18 to over 60. Personally, all the little high school kids on staff made me squirley. But some customers really liked them (especially the ones who were litle high school kids themselves). The again some of them liked us more, you know, "mature" folks. The point is that each of us had our own sort of fan base, and we were able to appeal to a wide variety of customers. That would *not* have been true if we had all been the same age.

Aylee, i see Your point. i can see how diversity is sometimes an incumbrance. But what i see much more is how it is an advantage, both functionally, and in terms of making us better people. i'm happy to celebrate all the things on Your list.

pam






Pam...really really wonderful post. Well said. I'm going to celebrate you! [;)].




gungadin09 -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 5:49:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
Pam...really really wonderful post. Well said. I'm going to celebrate you! [;)].


Yay! i think i'll celebrate me, too.

pam




DomYngBlk -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 6:01:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: zenny

How are you getting "I am tired of diversity" from "
I am tired of celebrating diversity"?

Are you trolling or genuinely unable to understand her statements? If you just missed the word previously and feel committed, hey, it happens. Though I would really like to know.



You've found me out. I am a troll that doesn't understand the meaning of her words and the meaning behind her words. Congrats....




DomYngBlk -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 6:04:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee
Non-functional differences like race, language, age, sex, culture and even whether someone is homosexual. Ya know, those things that people want to celebrate.


***Bueno, pues, yo celebro la diversidad. Sin embargo, entiendo que hay algunos momentos en que causa problemas. Por ejemplo, mi mama ensenaba ESL en la escuela primaria, y habia una vez que, dentro de una clase sola, sus estudiantes hablaban 13 distintas idiomas. Es facil entender que esta cosa la causo problemas. Claro que no es posible ensenar en 13 idiomas a la vez. No es posible dar una prueba en 13 idiomas. Suele dificil hablar con los padres de los estudiantes que no hablan ingles. Etc. Estos problemas son el *precio* de la diversidad.***

Having said that, i can't imagine that the price for diversity is not worth paying. i guess when You say the "functions" of diversity You're *not* referring to the fact that it teaches compassion, open mindedness, teaches new things about others and ourselves, or the fact that it's downright interesting and fun, or even necessary for democracy. i guess You're not counting *those* reasons as "functional", although i think You should. They are not nothing. They are not nothing. But if *those* aren't really "functional" reasons for diversity, then what are?

Well, here are some:

Language diversity:
Having to learn Spanish improved my English usage, because the language mechanics i had been using unconsciously in English had to be consciously learned and applied in Spanish. In other words, learning Spanish made my English stronger. i'm learning about phonetics from Japanese and Chinese. My sister, the musician, was able to pick up Hmong (or was it Lao?) pretty easily, because of her tone training. My point is, learning one thing crosses over into another.

Racial and Cultural diversity:
How about the trade we do with other countries? Or simply the diplomatic relations that we have with other countries? Do You think that our country's own racial and cultural diversity doesn't have a profound effect on how other countries perceive us; how willing they are to trade? how willing they are to maintain diplomatic relations? How willing they are to listen to anything we say?

Sexual Diversity:
Working in the restaurant industry where there is such a clear division of labor that occurs, mostly, along gender lines, has showed me the kind of problems that can occur where there is lack of diversity. For example:

Because of the gender breakdown, the front of the house (service staff) often functions with a very different mindset and communication style than the back (kitchen). The difference can be partially attributed to the different nature of the two jobs, but also needs to be attributed to gender-- the fact that the front of the house is (usually!) primarily female and the back of the house is (usually!) primarily male.

This segregation of the two sexes often results in a rift between the front of the house and the back. It's that kind of rift that i was often called upon to fix, back when i was working in restaurants, being the one woman in the kitchen. The fact that i was there, and was *unlike* everyone else around me, gave me a unique perspective, that i could use for diplomacy.

Age Diversity
i know this one. i worked in a coffeehouse once where the crew was composed of people of various ages, from 18 to over 60. Personally, all the little high school kids on staff made me squirley. But some customers really liked them (especially the ones who were litle high school kids themselves). The again some of them liked us more, you know, "mature" folks. The point is that each of us had our own sort of fan base, and we were able to appeal to a wide variety of customers. That would *not* have been true if we had all been the same age.

Aylee, i see Your point. i can see how diversity is sometimes an incumbrance. But what i see much more is how it is an advantage, both functionally, and in terms of making us better people. i'm happy to celebrate all the things on Your list.

pam






I wish I had said that




DomYngBlk -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 6:08:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

DYB, I get the impression that "those people" are telling us that they're going to sneak into our country whether we like it or not and that we can go fuck ourselves!
Am I close?


Mostly likely pops. Look at it this way you are drowning little by little cause the bowl you live in is filling up with water. There is another bowl that you can get to if you take some risk and jump over the edge into it. If you stay you die, if you jump you can live. Which would you choose. And, would you choose it even if it meant you'd be hated on the other side?




DomYngBlk -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 6:11:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

No you specifically said that you are against diversity.


No. I have repeatedly said that celebrating diversity is bad.

Like tweakabelle, I hope you enjoy your time deciding just who is a worthwhile person based on the color of their skin, their first language, how old they are, if they are an innie or an outie, where they grew up and who they want to fuck.

I think that is rather hate-filled and ugly, but it is your life and your decision.

Good luck with that.




You constantly deny thread after thread that the things you write aren't the things you write. When you are confronted with those things you reverse your track and say the person that is pointing out the inconsistency doesn't understand you.

Thank God, I don't work for you.




Charles6682 -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 7:43:20 AM)

I live in Florida.People are coming here from all over the world.There must be 6 local spanish channels and about 4 local spanish radio stations just in my local area as it is!!




DomYngBlk -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 8:14:27 AM)

I guess my question is....In their shoes would you not do the same thing?




kissheels -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 8:19:31 AM)

any taughts on muslums imigrating by the boat loads? not sure about the US but here(Canada) its out of control




DomYngBlk -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 8:46:24 AM)

Out of control how? Isn't it Gov't policy to encourage immigration?




kissheels -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 8:58:43 AM)

Come to my neighborhood and see for yourself what i mean by out of control, 100s no 1000s have moved in in the past 10 years, its all we see women head covered walking behging the man and holding an average of 4 kids each, they come here get a check from our goverment, free medicare, interest free loans from the goverment to start up a buisness, thats not imigration thats taking over because our goverment has no back bone, yeaaa for imigration!!!!!




DomYngBlk -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 12:07:52 PM)

Not to be the bearer of reality but without the influx you'd be dieing off as a country. Birthrates by anglophones and francophones in Canada are not even at the replacement level. So, if you want someone to keep mining shit and cutting shit down you better import em. And not to point out the obvious but the Province of Newfoundland takes off half a year and you live with it. OH yeah, those big Oil reserves.




popeye1250 -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 1:45:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Out of control how? Isn't it Gov't policy to encourage immigration?



DYB, it's not what "the govt" wants it's *supposed" to be what The People want.
In case you hadn't noticed there seems to be a breakdown in communications, "the govt" seems to think they're in existance to "tell" The People what to do and not the other way around! Conservative slaveMike seems to think that congressmen and senators shouldn't listen to their constituents!
Yup, just like that movie "Coolhand Luke", "what we have here is a FAILURE to comunicate!"




Moonhead -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 1:55:42 PM)

So the government are the only culpable party in the fact that most of your electorate wouldn't give a flying fuck if the Mekon was running your country, then?




DomYngBlk -> RE: The changing face of America (3/28/2011 3:34:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Out of control how? Isn't it Gov't policy to encourage immigration?



DYB, it's not what "the govt" wants it's *supposed" to be what The People want.
In case you hadn't noticed there seems to be a breakdown in communications, "the govt" seems to think they're in existance to "tell" The People what to do and not the other way around! Conservative slaveMike seems to think that congressmen and senators shouldn't listen to their constituents!
Yup, just like that movie "Coolhand Luke", "what we have here is a FAILURE to comunicate!"


All that with KH was in reference to Canada pops, stand down




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