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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 10:46:43 AM   
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However back then that was an evolutionary step.  In a post-apocalyptic setting where everything will become ruined from pandemonium we are almost starting from the beginning again.  As Needles pointed out, if those closest to you died during this global tragedy I doubt you would give a damn about restarting civilization.  Sure, it is a nice romanticized fantasy to believe that humanity can rise into a group and re-build and re-populate but the most likely scenario is you will constantly live in fear of others since everybody will look out for themselves.  Why trade when I can just take a gun, blow your brains out, and then take every supply from you?  How will you ever find me?  There is no law, no rules, it is chaos. 

Then there are people that think they can lead.  That's great, and I'm proud of you, but I doubt such a presence would make people want to.  Maybe people don't think you're fit for leadership, maybe they start politics about you hoarding, maybe they decide to slash your throat in the night and claim alpha. 

If such a thing were to happen, I'd worry more about my aim than about fucking and farming.  Just saying.


You raise a good point. I'm not sure I fully agree with it, but now that you bring it up, I can say it's definitely one to which i hadn't given enough consideration. We have to consider the psychological and emotional circumstances as well as the logistical - almost every single survivor will have lost every single person they loved. If only 1 out of a 100 survive, almost every single friend or family member will be dead. Everyone will be completely alone. This is why I think that the suicide rate in the first few months to a year or two will be very high, and you're right - it will change the way a lot of people think about human relationships.

Personally, I'm not one of those who think that rebuilding a society is important, or even a worthwhile secondary goal. I'm not going to give a shit about anything but the people in my immediate community, because they're the only ones who will affect my survival. Civilization may rebuild itself out of the ashes, or it may not. Even if it does, it would take several generations, and either way, it's not my problem. My problem would be making sure I had enough food to get through the next winter. And it would pretty much be that way for the rest of my life.


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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 10:53:49 AM   
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Something else to keep in mind about that population 3 years out, Panda. It will be young. While some may want to go all, Lord of the Flies, on us, others are going to want to learn everything they can.

Here's another question then. As a survivor, do you feel any obligation to the rest of the survivors elsewhere? At least in terms of being willing to share what you know?


Well, yes and no. The only obligation I'll feel will be to myself, and the people in my immediate community. If we come in contact with other groups, I'll certainly be more than happy to share with them whatever we know that may help them, but I'm not going to seek anyone out for the purpose of enlightening them. It will probably be a luxury we can't afford.


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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 11:34:51 AM   
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What about beggars?


Depending on what they've been grazing on, they may make a nice stew.


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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 11:40:29 AM   
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This thread has suddenly reminded Me of the topic that was being discussed about many in the younger generation not knowing how to use a manual can opener.  If I can find it, I'll post the link.


Got it.  http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3425614&key=nincompoops


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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 12:48:35 PM   
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Interesting thread in a lot of ways. I started a story a week or so ago on the same basic premise so I've been thinking about it a lot lately. .

Part of the prologue.

I’m not a doctor. All I can relate is what I heard in the final days. Some of it came from verifiable news sources, some from rumor, some second hand. My intent is not to create the defining document that traces the course of a disease. I am simply telling my part in it. What I saw, what I heard, and what to the best of my knowledge, took place in the weeks and months between June and December in the year 2012.

As far as I know there is no definitive date when the disease mutated and crossed the threshold of human infection. The middle of June is when it came to my attention, in a story that garnered maybe ten seconds on the radio I keep in the back of my shop.The newscaster seemed more interested in the fact that authorities had first believed the death to be a homicide as the corpse was so bloodied and swollen it appeared the man had been beaten to death. After a dramatic pause, he continued with a "Not So!" and relayed that a medical examiner, whose name I cannot remember, had determined the cause of death to be a type of hemorrhagic fever - potentially a form of Hantavirus.

Case closed.

It was a dangerous entity, yes, but a known one. I and the rest of the world moved on, focusing on things closer and more important, like a global economy that still faltered and only seemed to make progress in fitful steps, like the deal of the day on QVC, like which silly celebrity showed her panties again or which had been indicted on a drug charge. To put it bluntly, not many noticed, and even fewer cared.

Over the next six weeks, the disease hit the news again and again, claiming victim after victim. By the end of July, no one was ignoring it. The stories were coming with increasing frequency. Nearly a hundred people had died. The CDC had put together a team and shuttled them down at the request of the Mexican government. There was still no official name for the infection. A newspaper in Mexico City had coined the name La Fiebre, which in English translates simply as The Fever.

The name stuck. The medically inclined were still leaning towards Hantavirus as the agent. A few voices had risen however, that whispered more sinister names in that particular family of pathogens -- names like Marburg and Ebola.  Even then, the rest of the world trundled on, paying bills, going to work, casting cautious gazes towards Mexico but mostly ignoring the situation. After all, the problem was in another country and most of us still saw that as separate and containable.

Everyone felt sorry for them. The charities picked up steam as people donated to relief efforts everywhere. It was like the global conscious wanted to do something. Since it couldn’t address the disease directly, the urge vented itself elsewhere.

Oddly enough, tourism didn’t suffer much until the middle of August. Mexico City wasn’t a great vacation spot anyway. It didn’t have the pristine beaches of Cancun, or the night life of Acapulco. People weren’t as insulated from the abject poverty in central Mexico as they were in the tourist destinations and that kept most of them away from the epicenter. Some officials had started calling for border closings, but critics pointed out the fact that as yet, no one outside the country had shown symptoms of the disease. Even though the medical community had started talking in epidemic and pandemic terms, it was still largely seen as a disease relegated to somewhere else.

My understanding is that it went global on September 2nd.. A woman named Erika Jorgensen boarded a US Airways MD-88 on a return trip to Sweden from a tour of Mexico that began on the baja peninsula at Ensenada, and ended at the Mayan ruins on the Yucatan peninsula. She spent a month in the country, visiting a host of cities on a cross-country jaunt between her arrival and departure. Witnesses aboard the plane later described her as flushed and appearing feverish, with a constant cough.

Jorgensen changed planes in Atlanta after a three hour layover, and flew to New York City that same evening where she took a shuttle bus to a Marriot Hotel. She returned to the airport the following morning for a 7am flight to London where she again changed planes and flew home to Denmark. Two days later Jorgensen checked herself into a local hospital. She was dead twenty-two hours later, her symptoms clinically identical to those suffering from the fever in Mexico.

Officials played down the threat of infection at first. A tally of the flight rosters showed that on her flights alone, Ms. Jorgensen came in contact with more than six hundred people. There was no official estimate on the total number she could have infected on her journey home as the air terminals she used processed thousands in the two day period when she was actively traveling.

The next few weeks saw the disease explode, both in Mexico and around in the world. At the point where Jorgensen had left, less than two hundred had perished in Mexico. Over the next two months, nearly three thousand more would die.


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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 1:06:10 PM   
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"...like the deal of the day on QVC,..."

Just a thought... future readers might not know what QVC is, as it might not exist. Nor might people who don't watch, or have never seen US cable. I just heard somewhere that using contemporay cultural references should be avoided.

"...less than two hundred...". Fewer than. Less is more of a qualitative word; fewer is a quantitative descriptor. Follow me?

I'll try and refrain from any more editing.

BTW, Mexico D.F. (Distrito Federal)(as it's known in Mexico) is a great tourist destination. The Museum of Anthropology is world class. The Zoo in Chapultapec Park is fantastic. I could go on...

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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 1:12:10 PM   
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What about beggars?


Depending on what they've been grazing on, they may make a nice stew.




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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 1:16:29 PM   
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What about beggars?


Depending on what they've been grazing on, they may make a nice stew.




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I missed that somehow. That's funny. I know him from his postings at the Purple Place. Always excellent posts.


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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 1:24:15 PM   
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"...like the deal of the day on QVC,..."

Just a thought... future readers might not know what QVC is, as it might not exist. Nor might people who don't watch, or have never seen US cable. I just heard somewhere that using contemporay cultural references should be avoided.

"...less than two hundred...". Fewer than. Less is more of a qualitative word; fewer is a quantitative descriptor. Follow me?

I'll try and refrain from any more editing.

BTW, Mexico D.F. (Distrito Federal)(as it's known in Mexico) is a great tourist destination. The Museum of Anthropology is world class. The Zoo in Chapultapec Park is fantastic. I could go on...


I'll be in Cancun in a few days. I figure I can find some characters on the way.

See, now here's the difference... I can say, museum and zoo and most of the folks I know will give me a blank look and say, umm ok.

I'm not sure how much of the prologue will last. The idea of it yes, the details.. dunno. One of those things where you just start writing and that's what comes out. As far as the editing goes, that task is the reason a lot of things start, and never finish. The idea of going back through it all and making it pretty, making it flow better, sits somewhere around the thought of breaking a tooth into little pieces and pulling out the shards with pliers.



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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 4:22:49 PM   
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When you said you started a story I was thinking reading!! So far so good!

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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 4:23:51 PM   
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What about beggars?


Depending on what they've been grazing on, they may make a nice stew.




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Aint that the truth!! Cool new board avatar too, Panda!!

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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 4:41:29 PM   
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Poise did it! She's a genius! And a very kind and thoughtful one, at that. 

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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 4:42:21 PM   
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I am sorry but I cannot take you seriously with your profile picture, Panda.



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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 4:43:06 PM   
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I think that may be the most adorable avatar thus far on CM.

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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 4:44:29 PM   
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Tru dat, playa'.

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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 4:46:41 PM   
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NS, what is up with you and the hip hop dialogue today?

Are you trying to be more Domly with the colorful language?


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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 4:48:37 PM   
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I entertain myself on a daily basis.  Somebody has to do it. 

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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/28/2011 7:02:32 PM   
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I forgot a few things...

My HF ham radio...can communicate around the world.  Simple low power kits would run on a few watts and could run off a solar-charged battery.

I think we'd need some sheep, spinning wheels or spindles, and some looms for when we run out of fabric.  Churro sheep need very little vet car and have good wool for yarn.

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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/29/2011 9:24:37 AM   
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Read The Coming Plague by Laurie Garrett. http://www.lauriegarrett.com/index_coming.html

Excellent book with good discussions of diseases and infection vectors.



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RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... - 3/29/2011 9:25:32 PM   
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* hums the Twilight Zone tune *

That book's sitting right next to me!

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