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Aneirin -> Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 6:58:41 AM)

It has emerged, the first aid that was given to tsunami struck Japan came from the criminal gang Yakuza, a gang known for extortion and robbery, I wonders are they a new corporation in the making.

Yakuza Modern day Robin Hoods ?

But what does this say when criminals are the first to act in times of crisis whilst the world idly watches on wondering who is going to make the first move so they can guage their response from other's actions



LaTigresse -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 6:59:43 AM)

They have more free time?



Aneirin -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 7:04:17 AM)

yeah they do, and many I would guess rise from the same ranks, so have an understanding what might be the situation, whereas others might just be doing what they have to do.



tazzygirl -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 7:13:00 AM)

Considering they were " on hand" when the crisis hit, and since their own code, per your article, says they can allow no suffering ~if youw ant to believe that~ then I would expect they would be the first to lend a hand... not among the first as your article points out... but the actual first.

I dont believe the rest of the world has been "idly watching" anything.

By the 15th, when the following was written, 70 Countries had either sent people in to help or offered aid.. some of which was turned down.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Aid-and-rescue-offers-for-Japan-quake/Article1-673567.aspx

I dont see that as being idle.



thishereboi -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 7:20:32 AM)

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But what does this say when criminals are the first to act in times of crisis whilst the world idly watches on wondering who is going to make the first move so they can gauge their response from other's actions


You say this kind of shit all the time. So do you have any links to prove your assertions or is this something you just thought up today?

As to the topic, yea they did the same thing several years ago when they had the subway disaster. They can be some very helpful people when they aren't out killing each other.



Aneirin -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 1:51:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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But what does this say when criminals are the first to act in times of crisis whilst the world idly watches on wondering who is going to make the first move so they can gauge their response from other's actions


You say this kind of shit all the time. So do you have any links to prove your assertions or is this something you just thought up today?

As to the topic, yea they did the same thing several years ago when they had the subway disaster. They can be some very helpful people when they aren't out killing each other.



In answer to your observant question, yeah, look art the top of the thread where there is a link you may if you are really that interested, click on and read for yourself.



YSG -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 1:57:26 PM)

From what I understand, the Yakuza actually see themselves like the fudal lords of ancient Japan. Yes, they are extorting money from buisnesses, etc., but they also feel it is their duty to help the people in their "territory"



lazarus1983 -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 2:14:25 PM)

Years back I read a fascinating article in the NYTimes about the Yakuza in a particular neighborhood. They had actually signed a contract with the residents forbidding excessive noise, and other pedestrian things. The Yakuza were quite upset when the residents accused some of their members of violating the contract.



Termyn8or -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 3:10:43 PM)

LOL. If they didn't like noise I think they were SOL not too long ago.

Now the question begs - Just who labelled them criminals ? Remember, I resemble that remark. Who decides who is a criminal, extortionists who prosecute the unlicensed extortionists ? Fuck, I'd rather pay Frankie fifty bucks to make a ticket go away than to take it on my record to have it serve as a scarlet letter, otherwise known as a bill of attainder.

I don't believe ANYTHING, remember that. And I can tell you this much, some of the nicest people I know are considered criminals. They don't tell me who the criminals are, I tell me. Never judge a Don by his rap sheet.

T^T



Aneirin -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 5:26:39 PM)

The thing is with petty criminals, they are from us, and despite their mode of income they are us, now who do they steal from, no doubt those that have money in their locale, so perhaps criminals are the levelling force in an area. Also, criminals are educators, they educate us not to show our wealth and what wealth we have, to guard it well, for in many neighbourhoods worldwide there are always some people who like to wind others up by their display of wealth. Now it strikes me as those who gain wealth should move to a wealthier area where they can again climb the ladder of showmanship instead of insulting others in a more lowly area of housing. But what is it all about, nothing but status and we all know status is another illusion vcreated to cause resentment and there division.



thishereboi -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 8:24:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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But what does this say when criminals are the first to act in times of crisis whilst the world idly watches on wondering who is going to make the first move so they can gauge their response from other's actions


You say this kind of shit all the time. So do you have any links to prove your assertions or is this something you just thought up today?

As to the topic, yea they did the same thing several years ago when they had the subway disaster. They can be some very helpful people when they aren't out killing each other.



In answer to your observant question, yeah, look art the top of the thread where there is a link you may if you are really that interested, click on and read for yourself.



I read the article. No where did it say that the rest of the world sat on it's hands waiting to see what others would do. Maybe you could be a little clearer on which part of the article said that?



Aneirin -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/26/2011 11:28:36 PM)

H'mm, perhaps you didn't see where the article claimed that the criminal gangs were the first to get involved with helping out in the crisis, so that being if they were there first, why were they, should'nt the emergency services have been there first, you know those people with the equipment and skills to deal with emergencies and undoubtedly Japan with it's awareness for earthquakes and the possibility of tsunamis one would think they would be on the ball with this one, but nope, the crims got there first with aid.



Kirata -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/27/2011 2:36:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

But what does this say when criminals are the first to act in times of crisis whilst the world idly watches on wondering who is going to make the first move so they can guage their response from other's actions

On the other hand, what does it say when someone whinges because a crime gang, where when a boss says, "jump," you jump first and ask "how high?" on the way up or you won't have legs to worry about anymore, managed "in many cases" (but not all) to get help to people ahead of the regular emergency service responders.

No hangnail to occupy your mind with today, Aneirin? [:D]

K.



thishereboi -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/27/2011 5:07:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

H'mm, perhaps you didn't see where the article claimed that the criminal gangs were the first to get involved with helping out in the crisis, so that being if they were there first, why were they, should'nt the emergency services have been there first, you know those people with the equipment and skills to deal with emergencies and undoubtedly Japan with it's awareness for earthquakes and the possibility of tsunamis one would think they would be on the ball with this one, but nope, the crims got there first with aid.


I can't say where exactly in the city the gangs hang out and where the er services come from, so I can't speak on how fast either got there. However you said "But what does this say when criminals are the first to act in times of crisis whilst the world idly watches on wondering who is going to make the first move so they can guage their response from other's actions"

And you have yet to show me any proof that "the world" sat by idly and watched. Still waiting[8|]



Edwynn -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/27/2011 7:52:49 AM)




"... whilst the world idly watches on wondering who is going to make the first move so they can guage their response from other's actions "

_____________________________



"And you have yet to show me any proof that "the world" sat by idly and watched. Still waiting"




You are asking this of someone who grew up probably not seeing the first black person in his life until adulthood throwing a torch with the "is America racist?" thread as claimant that "the world idly watches."


Drama queens will be drama queens.


Idle minds, limited experience, vicarious thrills. They all go together.







tazzygirl -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/27/2011 7:58:20 AM)

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H'mm, perhaps you didn't see where the article claimed that the criminal gangs were the first to get involved with helping out in the crisis,


Your article said...

As with the devastating 1995 Kobe earthquake, government workers were slow in reaching afflicted areas, and the 300,000 or so survivors, so yakuza groups stepped in quickly, and in many cases, were first on the ground.

So, in some cases, according to your article, they were not the first to respond. I posted a link, and not one from a US news agency, indicating which organizations were there within the first couple of days.

I posted, in that same link, how some organizations were not allowed to come help.

I expect the "criminal" element to help in these types of struggles. After all, they are looking after their bottom line. No business, no income for them.



flcouple2009 -> RE: Criminals first to help Japan (3/27/2011 8:58:16 AM)

I see this in the same manner as the old Mafia guys who used to take care of "their" neighborhood.  Buying good will from the people always helps when the cops come digging around.



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