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RE: bi play - 5/17/2011 7:47:17 AM   
Sunny27


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Status: offline 		Yeah Peon I deffinetly disagree with you as I used to date a lovely guy that yes he used to call himself bisexual as he was dating his best friend who was a guy and they were both vanilla for 3 years!!
They broke up though when they were both heading for being the age of 20 as Daniel my now ex told me he wanted a family and he's still friends with his best friend and his best friend has been dating a friend of mine who's a girl for about 7 years now!
People can change their mind and I would call myself bisexual but when I get engaged in January.
I'm taking it off my profile as I'll be with my Master/fiance forever I hope then and I'll only be with him!!!

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 3:11:03 AM   
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i was one of those stupid males that never thought Women would love watching a male having sex with another male as in a live sex show for Them.  my exDomme was the one that educated me on the subject. She asked me if i ever watched two women together and of course i said Yes.  She then said whats the difference? She said She really loves watching Her malesub sucking cock for Her. She told me that since i liked watching women do it then She thought i owed a payback too Women and said i needed too repay Them by having sex with another male in a live sex show.  i had no arguement, and could only agree with Her logic, and i did feel guilty about having watched women do it.

The highlighted above is exactly what many of us have been attempting to make people on these boards understand for years.



Thank You Lady Pact
It was pretty narrow minded of me to not understand that there are many Women out there that would like watching a couple of naked men (or more) do things with each other that the NORMAL Male would never openly consider doing especially in front of Women.

She opened my eyes and my mind to the fact that i was not only a male, but a malesub and that if i really wanted to please Her then i would one day i need too be ready to do bi for Her. 

She reminded me that a " REAL Male would never eat cum, but you eat it for Me and love it". She is right that i love eating my cum while She is watching me, and She loves watching me perform for Her.

It is very embarrassing and humiliating, but also very exciting doing it for Her.

She told me that She appreciated my willingness to do this for Her and Her Friends.

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 3:38:10 AM   
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It was pretty narrow minded of me to not understand that there are many Women out there that would like watching a couple of naked men (or more) do things with each other that the NORMAL Male would never openly consider doing especially in front of Women.




your defintion of 'normal' is seriously fucked, dude

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 5:20:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I myself, don't understand the idea of enjoying something only because it's forced.  Yes, I am taking it as my definition that if you are doing something only because it's under direction of your owner/mistress whatever, that it's forced even if there is no physical restraint or coercion of any sort.

If I do something for Ma'am that I wouldn't enjoy otherwise, I wouldn't enjoy it simply because I was being made to do it.  That, to me is a cop out.  Specifically having someone order me to do something I don't wish to admit that I enjoy.  Yes, I may enjoy pleasing my owner, and that may make an unpleasant act more tolerable; but it doesn't mean I would enjoy the act itself.  I do dishes for the same reason, but it doesn't get me my jollies.

Myself, bi-play is currently a hard limit, though I'm not going to say that I couldn't be convinced to to it for my owner.  I'm comfortable enough to flirt around with other guys, openly tease them, and give a male friend a long, tender hug just because he or I need one; but when it comes to another guys penis, sorry I just don't wanna touch it or be touched by it.  Hell, when watching porn I lean to lesbian porn simply because my cock is the only one that exists in my fantasies.  For another guy to touch my penis, I wanna be in a paper butt-gown and see a medical license on the wall.

< Message edited by darchChylde -- 6/1/2011 5:54:25 AM >

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 5:28:27 AM   
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  For another guy to touch my penis, I wanna be in a paper butt-gown and see a medical license on the wall.



OK, that made me spit coffee out of my nose

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 5:33:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: myotherself


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For another guy to touch my penis, I wanna be in a paper butt-gown and see a medical license on the wall.



OK, that made me spit coffee out of my nose


Were you actually drinking coffee?  Because if not, one or the other of us could list that as a super-power.  Or perhaps we're like the Wonder Twins and our powers only work in conjunction.


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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 5:36:40 AM   
myotherself


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To avoid derailing this thread any further, I'm starting a new thread in P&RS

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 5:37:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ha, maybe they could hook us both up with coffee IVs? This way there would be less spillage...

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 9:44:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
There's no such thing as a 'bi- male', mwd. All males identifying as bisexual are actually homosexual males who are in denial.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
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Sorry Peon, you just went from sensible guy to homophobic twerp in my books.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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I don't know what came over me in my last post. I was a different man back then. Please ignore it.

Peon, what post am I supposed to be ignoring?

WHEW!  I thought my message board filters had gone all all to hell.

<edited to fix those quotie-thingies> 

< Message edited by LanceHughes -- 6/1/2011 9:52:42 AM >

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 9:58:21 AM   
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Can't speak for mens or people who are 'forced' (I'm not a person who could ever really feel forced into anything, so I can't directly empathise),  but the appeal here extends beyond providing an excuse to fuck a guy. There's a sexual element to it that comes purely from the dom's involvement in the situation.

Supposing a person genuinely has no attraction to males at all, the act of fucking a bloke is effectively a sexually neutral behaviour (albeit a rather icky one). Taboos and homophobic bullshit aside, it has no intrinsic erotic appeal.

Whereas if there's a dom orchestrating and enjoying making this happen, it kinda gets imbued with erotic appeal via that dom's involvement (with the idea of it being 'forced' presumably adding to that appeal in a consensual non-consent rapey kinda way). Thus an otherwise 'meh' experience becomes a kinky fun experience because of that third person's erotic influence.
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THANK YOU, CreepyStalker!

I have been trying to articulate this point and have never been close to getting it arranged in my head anywhere this coherently. 
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ORIGINAL: CreepyStalker
<snipped>
(This is officially the first post I have made with any seriousness or thought in it. Woo.)

I hope to read more from you "made with seriousness or thought."  Hopefully BOTH. LOL! 

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 11:13:24 AM   
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Thank You Lady Pact
It was pretty narrow minded of me to not understand that there are many Women out there that would like watching a couple of naked men (or more) do things with each other that the NORMAL Male would never openly consider doing especially in front of Women.

She opened my eyes and my mind to the fact that i was not only a male, but a malesub and that if i really wanted to please Her then i would one day i need too be ready to do bi for Her. 

She reminded me that a " REAL Male would never eat cum, but you eat it for Me and love it". She is right that i love eating my cum while She is watching me, and She loves watching me perform for Her.

It is very embarrassing and humiliating, but also very exciting doing it for Her.

She told me that She appreciated my willingness to do this for Her and Her Friends.

While you're certainly welcome and I appreciate you agreeing with My original statement, this follow up borders on being a bit silly.  I'd hate to think that your former Mistress was either so short-sighted or perhaps a bit homophobic to even be making such statements that sexual acts between those of the same gender weren't "normal" or that "real men" don't do this or that.  I mean, if someone was going for the humiliation angle in particular, that's one thing, but as a general statement, it's pretty screwed up.


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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 11:19:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

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There's no such thing as a 'bi- male', mwd. All males identifying as bisexual are actually homosexual males who are in denial.


Peon, what post am I supposed to be ignoring?




The one contained here, Lance. I was talking deliberate crap.


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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 11:25:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
There's no such thing as a 'bi- male', mwd. All males identifying as bisexual are actually homosexual males who are in denial.


Peon, what post am I supposed to be ignoring?




The one contained here, Lance. I was talking deliberate crap.



Listen P, you are supposed to swallow first then start talking...otherwise you get her shorts dirty. 


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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 11:54:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darchChylde
For another guy to touch my penis, I wanna be in a paper butt-gown and see a medical license on the wall.


I'm good with a medical roleplay scene, so I shall expect to see you in my dungeon forthwith.  Hey, you did say you wanted it.  :)


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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 1:41:53 PM   
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Listen P, you are supposed to swallow first then start talking...otherwise you get her shorts dirty. 



Urrgh, Otters! That was disgusting! I think SthrnCmfrt should wash your mouth out with soap.

(And take photos, and post them here. Heh. )



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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 2:05:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim
Listen P, you are supposed to swallow first then start talking...otherwise you get her shorts dirty. 



Urrgh, Otters! That was disgusting! I think SthrnCmfrt should wash your mouth out with soap.

(And take photos, and post them here. Heh. )


Ah, a rousing game of Chuck the Other Sub Under the Bus does the soul good! 

EDIT:  Is that a form of bi play?


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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 2:13:58 PM   
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I myself, don't understand the idea of enjoying something only because it's forced.  Yes, I am taking it as my definition that if you are doing something only because it's under direction of your owner/mistress whatever, that it's forced even if there is no physical restraint or coercion of any sort.


I approve of that definition. After all, the government forces me to pay taxes, in a very real sense, but it doesn't send muscular thugs around to hold me down and take money out of my wallet.

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde
If I do something for Ma'am that I wouldn't enjoy otherwise, I wouldn't enjoy it simply because I was being made to do it.  That, to me is a cop out.  Specifically having someone order me to do something I don't wish to admit that I enjoy.  Yes, I may enjoy pleasing my owner, and that may make an unpleasant act more tolerable; but it doesn't mean I would enjoy the act itself.  I do dishes for the same reason, but it doesn't get me my jollies.


That's interesting, because I would say that the whole basis of my masochism is the fact that voluntarily doing or undergoing X and being made to do or undergo X can be very different experiences. I wouldn't want to be spanked or flogged without some kind of D/s structure in place - it would just be painful and unpleasant. If I'm ordered by a dominant to submit to spanking or flogging, the pain and unpleasantness become exciting and arousing without becoming any less real. I don't have any experience of forced bisexuality, but I've always assumed that it would be basically similar. Doing sexual things with another man would be unpleasant, but being subjected to unpleasantness by someone who has power over me is exactly the thing that pushes my masochistic buttons.

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 2:58:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, my issue with the forced issue is more personal than I let on (if you want you can hunt old threads, but I won't rehash it here), but the intent is the same.  While I've never been in a forced bi situation, I've experimented when younger and the idea of being physically intimate with a man to that level still gives me a violent case of the heebie-jeebies.  While, like I said, I won't use the worf never; bi[play, like anal, is something I cannot picture myself consenting to.


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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 3:22:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mwdsub4u

i as a slave enjoy bi play only when a Mistress commands it, yet do You as a Mistress enjoy it?


There's no such thing as a 'bi- male', mwd. All males identifying as bisexual are actually homosexual males who are in denial. This is especially true of those males who want to be "forced' to take part in bi-sex by a mistress.

I hope that helps.


Actually, you are wrong here. Being Bi-sexual, has nothing to do with erroneous, or denied, homosexuality. Homosexuals are attracted to their own gender only, heterosexuals to the opposite sex only, and bisexuals, to both genders, though not at a 50-50 balance. I am open about what I like, or dislike, and, if I had a purely vanilla choice, I would have sex with another man, if he would look sexy enough to my eyes...

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RE: bi play - 6/1/2011 4:07:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DeviantMan


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: mwdsub4u

i as a slave enjoy bi play only when a Mistress commands it, yet do You as a Mistress enjoy it?


There's no such thing as a 'bi- male', mwd. All males identifying as bisexual are actually homosexual males who are in denial. This is especially true of those males who want to be "forced' to take part in bi-sex by a mistress.

I hope that helps.


Actually, you are wrong here. Being Bi-sexual, has nothing to do with erroneous, or denied, homosexuality. Homosexuals are attracted to their own gender only, heterosexuals to the opposite sex only, and bisexuals, to both genders, though not at a 50-50 balance. I am open about what I like, or dislike, and, if I had a purely vanilla choice, I would have sex with another man, if he would look sexy enough to my eyes...


No really, he DOES understand this, and believes it firmly himself! 

Honest! 

He was just being factitious or flatulent, or whatever that word is that says that you are being intentionally coy while having raging gas.  A common occurrence for the poor fellow from those I have heard from in the U.K.   And yet people still lust after him!  Makes you wonder doesn't it? 


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