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If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Chance)... - 3/26/2011 7:30:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess they like to do things the hard way in conservative governments, Republican governments or Red states. If they legalized all the immigrants I believe it would eliminate their budget deficit and they would not have had to increase sales taxes by 1%. There’s something about the conservative philosophy that results in people having to live a harder life – less health care, more poverty, higher unemployment and more abortion etc., etc., etc. Of course if you’re wealthy and you live on easy street the grass is greener and the sidewalks cleaner.



If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Chance), State Would Collect $1.6 Billion More in Taxes, Says UCLA Report

From the Center for American Progress:

The analysis demonstrates unequivocally that undocumented immigrants don't simply "fill" jobs; they create jobs. Through the work they perform, the money they spend, and the taxes they pay, undocumented immigrants sustain the jobs of many other workers in the U.S. economy, immigrants and native-born alike. Were undocumented immigrants to suddenly vanish, the jobs of many Americans would vanish as well. In contrast, were undocumented immigrants to acquire legal status, their wages and productivity would increase, they would spend more in our economy and pay more in taxes, and new jobs would be created.

Simply put, Arizona's current approach to immigration policy is economically self-destructive.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/03/if_arizona_legalized_all_latin.php


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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/26/2011 7:52:13 PM   
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1. If Arizona deported all illegal immigrants, then the article assumes that every single one would leave an unfilled job behind.  Yep, that's right - the need for the work would still exist, but the employers would rather keep them open and have the work not get done than hire someone else. Stupidest damn assumption imaginable, much worse than the converse one that if all illegals were deported, every single job would be filled by a native born (presumably Caucasian) earning $10 an hour plus bennies.

2. If all illegals were granted citizenship, the article assumes that employment would increase 7.7%.  Where the hell did THAT come from?  (I tried to download the pdf of the actual analysis, but it locked up my computer).  I am at a loss to see how granting people citizenship will increase the number of jobs unless it is assumed that they start businesses themselves and export (if they start businesses that service locals only, then their efforts will simply cancel out existing businesses.  A wash).

Sorry, Brain, but just because some biased analyst makes a claim doesn't mean that it stands up to scrutiny.


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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/26/2011 8:49:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Legalization would have negative effect. Illegal aliens do not pay taxes now and will not pay in the future [below or close to low income exempt] (except sales tax they pay regardless of the status). Possibly their legalization would reduce tax revenue as they would 1) become eligible for family tax credits and 2) they would collect tax returns (currently many work with bogus SS numbers). In addition, social services will pay out more, and their children and parents arriving from Mexico would add extra schooling and care cost.
Legalization would have some positive social benefits, but it would cost substantial money. This is why it is hard sell to Americans and this is why such junk science is produced by a crook traveling with Obama.  [..."Professor Hinojosa-Ojeda is down in El Salvador right now helping President Obama find viable ways to keep Latinos in their home countries..."].

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/26/2011 10:09:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brain, why only Latino illegal aliens?

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/26/2011 10:10:54 PM   
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Legalization would have negative effect. Illegal aliens do not pay taxes now and will not pay in the future [below or close to low income exempt] (except sales tax they pay regardless of the status)


With the exception of those who work under someone else's social security number. Case after case has been documented where people have tried to apply for credit or assistance and found out they were working in a number of different states all at the same time.

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/26/2011 10:18:25 PM   
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Legalization would have negative effect. Illegal aliens do not pay taxes now and will not pay in the future [below or close to low income exempt] (except sales tax they pay regardless of the status). Possibly their legalization would reduce tax revenue as they would 1) become eligible for family tax credits and 2) they would collect tax returns (currently many work with bogus SS numbers). In addition, social services will pay out more, and their children and parents arriving from Mexico would add extra schooling and care cost.
Legalization would have some positive social benefits, but it would cost substantial money. This is why it is hard sell to Americans and this is why such junk science is produced by a crook traveling with Obama.  [..."Professor Hinojosa-Ojeda is down in El Salvador right now helping President Obama find viable ways to keep Latinos in their home countries..."].


Actually, about 3/4 of illegal workers pay taxes, per the SSA:  http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm
Despite the occasional conservative article talking about how half of all families pay no federal income tax, very, very few workers have a net negative tax burden once you factor in payroll taxes, so the idea that immigrant workers would somehow end up subsidized by the government on their taxes is nonsense. 

Whether instantly deporting every illegal immigrant has a net positive or negative economic force depends on the state in question.  States with sales taxes and that enforce citizenship requirements for government services would take a big negative impact from deporting illegals, while states that rely on property taxes and are lax about enforcing citizenship requirements would save some money.

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/26/2011 10:19:46 PM   
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Brain, why only Latino illegal aliens?

Taste great, less filling, and now in a new butter flavor?

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/27/2011 1:01:00 AM   
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Actually, about 3/4 of illegal workers pay taxes, per the SSA: http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm
Despite the occasional conservative article talking about how half of all families pay no federal income tax, very, very few workers have a net negative tax burden once you factor in payroll taxes, so the idea that immigrant workers would somehow end up subsidized by the government on their taxes is nonsense.


You can find calculations supporting both sides depending what the bias is. It depends which factors are considered. The general consensus, and logic seems to support net drain of the resources by illegals, plus passing more profit to the large corporations which do not  as a rule invest it into the community. The author of the USA Today article clearly states: "If anything we need more immigrants coming into the local country, not less, especially with the baby boomers retiring," . So, he selects data accordingly.
I think the money argument have been brought on the forefront only because of the assumption: all Americans care of is money. The assumption is wrong. Every culture opposes mass immigration by default. I think the case for legalization needs to be made based on much deeper understanding of the issue. Also,  the legalization of the current illegals will not solve the illegality problem. If to legalize today's 12 million we will have next 12 million illegals in 5 years. Maybe just to eliminate the border totally and consider Mexicans dual citizens. It would end the debate forever and it would satisfy satisfy at least the government, mega-corporations, La Rasa,  and the Chamber of Commerce.

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/27/2011 1:08:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fellow, ah,.....you forgot one group in there who may, just may disagree with that scenario, .....300 million American Citizens.
I'd trust them first and foremost and agree with any binding referendums on the ballot.

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/27/2011 5:13:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is an interesting theory. But I have a question. I have long heard that there are jobs that only illegals will take. If this is true, then when we legalize all the ones who are here, they will take on new jobs making more money and benefits. Now since we know that no americans would do that kind of work for such low pay, we will then have to find new illegals to do our dirty work. 

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/27/2011 5:18:24 AM   
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Brain, why only Latino illegal aliens?


Undoubtedly because of the massive power wielded by the illegal immigrants from Luxembourg to keep them under the radar.


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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/27/2011 10:44:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the debate over granting citizenship to illegal alien keeps forgetting those who have immigranted to the US legally. Why should those who enter our country illegal be given special privilages? The government gave illegal citizenship once, claiming this would end the then now 10 million illegal, all it did was increase the number of illegal aliens. Stop rewarding criminals.

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RE: If Arizona Legalized All Latino Immigrants (Fat Cha... - 3/27/2011 10:53:43 AM   
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Brain, why only Latino illegal aliens?


Undoubtedly because of the massive power wielded by the illegal immigrants from Luxembourg to keep them under the radar.




Stephen, no, what if they wanted to legalize *only* the latin illegal aliens? What happens to all the others from every other country in the world? There must be a million or two from China on the West Coast alone, right?

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