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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 3:32:28 PM   
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Both Obama and Biden said many times that Bush didn't have the constitutional authority to invade Iraq. I guess things change when you get elected and have to make decisions and not just shoot your mouth off trying to get elected. Obama has no problem invading a country now.
Do tell....what country has President Obama invaded?
Is english a second language for you and some of your brethren ?
The definition of "invasion" does seem to be escaping you(but you are not alone,that other asswipe  can't figure it out either)


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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 4:06:44 PM   
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I certainly disagree with any sort of turtle like isolationism,especially of the type advocated in such crude ways by popeye.The world is getting smaller every day...we can not afford to disengaged from the rest of the world....in the false belief that were we just to ignore others we will be left to our own.
Just doesn't work.



I have the deepest sympathy for the way citizens in some countries are treated, but with the US economy the way it is, we can't afford to help. I think comparing the US economy now to the US economy before globalization proves that isolationism not only works, but it's the best strategy. I wish more Americans would watch Capitalism: A Love Story. Maybe then they would see how right Popeye is.




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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 4:13:18 PM   
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I certainly disagree with any sort of turtle like isolationism,especially of the type advocated in such crude ways by popeye.The world is getting smaller every day...we can not afford to disengaged from the rest of the world....in the false belief that were we just to ignore others we will be left to our own.
Just doesn't work.



I have the deepest sympathy for the way citizens in some countries are treated, but with the US economy the way it is, we can't afford to help. I think comparing the US economy now to the US economy before globalization proves that isolationism not only works, but it's the best strategy. I wish more Americans would watch Capitalism: A Love Story. Maybe then they would see how right Popeye is.



Interesting how often this comes down to money...of course the fly in the ointment there is the simple fact that we pay huge amounts of money for our military...whether we use it or not.
When was the last time the defense budget was slashed?As for the weapons expenditures...they too have a shelf life.Unfortunately we are buying them whether or not we use them.
I'm not saying I agree with any of this...I would just like to here someone to claim it is not so...and than go about showing why it isn't
I am old enough to remember the much looked forward to end of the "cold war"...where was the so called "peace dividend" than?
In order to actually see such a dividend...we would have to,as a nation,actually get a handle on the run away "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower warned us about.
Good luck with that.


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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 4:32:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mike, Maybe sending stealth bombers Lybia isn't invading a country to you, but it is to me and many others. Why didn't he need congressional approval as was demanded by the left when Bush was in office ?

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 4:37:57 PM   
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Mike, Maybe sending stealth bombers Lybia isn't invading a country to you, but it is to me and many others. Why didn't he need congressional approval as was demanded by the left when Bush was in office ?
I don't give a shit what it  is to you and many others.
You and "many others" do not get to reassign meaning to a word just because it is politically expedient to do so.
An invasion is what it is....it is not what you would like it be....just the way it is in the real world.


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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 4:39:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		If we did not invade Libya, ( a military action ) in Obamas own words, what do you call it ?

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 4:55:42 PM   
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Most countries have a standing military paid for by the populace of each country, they are told they pay for their defence, yet our militaries attack others, when did defence become attack ?

What one has to do, is look why a standing militia was created, right from the start, what was the reason for it's formation, I know for instance the UK navy was created to protect and further trade, so in that instance what our navy does for merchants, is true to their design. As to the army, well historically they did what the ruler told them to do, and they were used in empire building, the conquering of other countries to enrich the ruler, so that being the term defence should be scratched from the reason for taxation, for it is clear only merchants should be paying for a tool that helps them, for armed forces are there for wealth creation not defence, although that is the final job they can do, for the attackers will defend if forced into that situation.

In this present situation, our armed forces are doing exactly what they were created to do, defence does not come into it, for they are smoothing the way for the merchants to do business.

Perhaps what is wrong about the funding of the standing militia, is that the populace should not be paying for it, as what merchants do in seeking and securing markets via the military tool, is creating threat for the populace, but then what is the populace beyond inhabitants of a country, for surely they are the dumb cash cow that keeps on paying for their world to be threatened, and of course the pool from which the military grunt is drawn from to do the merchants bidding.

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 5:00:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama just finished explaining this 'military action' to our nation. He sounded pretty much like a conservative president tonight. This was the first of his speeches that I actually enjoyed. Should really irritate the left though.

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 5:01:19 PM   
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If we did not invade Libya, ( a military action ) in Obamas own words, what do you call it ?


You and many others are just trying to use this as a political attack against Obama, which might be credible if you had been equally opposed to our involvement in Iraq.

But I see the same people here who called the invasion of Iraq a liberation now saying the opposite about Libya.

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 5:01:33 PM   
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When you know ahead of time that people are going to be slaughtered cause the man doing the slaughtering just told he was going to do it. And this same man has done this type of thing in the past.......Isn't inherent on humans to try and intervene? Not to mention as Christians. We stood by as Rwanda devolved into a bloodbath both as Americans and as members of the Unitied Nations. I would hope this puts us on a better path as Humans.


Just as we are standing by doing nothing in The Congo.

It will be curious now that the precedent has been set that the United States will go to war solely for Humanitarian reasons (As opposed to European Energy needs) how the left wing of the American Political spectrum will react when it's a Republican president claiming the same reason.

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 5:04:19 PM   
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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 5:11:46 PM   
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I get the Pacific war. How about Europe? Why'd we go? Our dog wasn't in that fight. Sure a few million people were slaughtered....but did it effect us? No...-




I suspect the fact the Germany and Italy declared war on the United States first, had something to do with it.

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 5:19:20 PM   
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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 6:06:52 PM   
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brain thinking faster than my fingers were typing....caught it but not fast enough
It happens...especially to us...less gifted" typist's (make no mistake, I am in the same boat )


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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 6:15:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rule. My posts are not an attack on Obama. They are an attack on the hypocrites on the left who are now defending this military action. I happen to like what Obama is doing except he should have done it sooner.

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 6:18:04 PM   
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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 6:27:15 PM   
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The Left has adopted neo con foreign policy and Karl Rove's bag of dirty tricks. They can't argue the facts on anything as absurd as Obama's Libya policy.

There will probably be lots of Democratic wailing and tears in November 2012 unless there are real domestic jobs created as opposed to cooked figures.

Obama has staked his Presidency on the loyalty of Muslim Rebels.

Should Libya become an Islamist state and/or the rebels turn out to be not so supportive of the USA it will be entirely on Obama. UN Mandates won't matter to most US voters. We'll see soon enough.


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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 6:31:47 PM   
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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 6:44:41 PM   
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If we did not invade Libya, ( a military action ) in Obamas own words, what do you call it ?



Wow... It amazes me when people rant about a party because of their actions.... Then... when their party is is control and use the same actions they defend it. Yet they can't seem to understand how hypocritical they sound.

Here we have people that constantly rant that we have no right to force our way of thinking on another nation...We should not fight other countries for their resources like oil... We are purposely or accidentally killing innocents... Then they defend this action in Libya.

I can understand people changing their minds but at least be willing to say they may have been wrong in the past.

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RE: Why should the USA be involved in ANY war, unless a... - 3/28/2011 6:54:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I want to add...I have no doubt these people are sincere in their beliefs they are just not remembering the past as they should.

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