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Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 6:34:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		So your not allowed to put nude or play pictures in your profile, but its ok for all the raunch and nude stuff in the advertisments? What gives?
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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 6:39:18 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Hehe, good point... that is a rather newish conundrum.. as they only recently started with the porn pics on the side of the pages...

I can appreciate the need to do that to keep it free for us, but you are right, surely that should allow for a loosening of the restrictions on pics.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 6:42:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		someone might see something they've never seen before...LOL

for an adult site, it is odd that nudes are not allowed here. go figure


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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 6:51:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's all due to legal issues, I'm sure. collarme servers are in the states, from what I understand. Laws exist in the states that make sites that post adult pictures maintain release forms and proofs of age for each different model (which means each and every unique profile, in this case). That means you'd have to sign a release form and prove your age. collarme doesn't have the time, money or staff for that, nor would many people want to do it. Plus, there's the whole argument about what is and isn't considered "adult". Porn sites get around this in two ways: they reuse models over and over (and thus need to keep track of fewer releases) and the vast majority aren't hosted in the states, so they don't have to obey our laws.

I think collarme does a pretty decent job working within the confines of the regulations. If you really don't like it, write your representatives.

Fire

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 6:57:25 PM   
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So your not allowed to put nude or play pictures in your profile, but its ok for all the raunch and nude stuff in the advertisments? What gives?


Models in the banner ads have all signed releases and their verified personal information is kept on file by the respective site owners to satisfy the current draconian governmental regulations.  No such documentation is provided by users here and the ownership of images in use is questionable at best in many cases. It's not your ass on the line if the decency police come knocking, it's the site owners' asses.

Simple enough for you to understand?   

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 7:00:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, but even personal play pictures where there is no nudity isn't allowed.  I know about the law, but as long as there isn't nudity, there shouldnt be an issue.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 7:05:35 PM   
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Yes, but even personal play pictures where there is no nudity isn't allowed.  I know about the law, but as long as there isn't nudity, there shouldnt be an issue.


Unfortuantly, this isn't the case. According to the federal goverment, at the loosest interpretation, play pictures can be considered obscene. Also, again, using a loose interpretation, such pictures could be seen as the type that requires CM to have modle release forms, et al

Collarme sets things up the way it does for the maintainer's saftey. I figure one can share play pictures once e-mail correspondance has been established.


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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 7:05:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		They're choosing to err on the side of caution and in today's legal climate they can hardly be faulted for that..  If someone was be willing to bankroll their legal defense fund, they might choose to do things differently. 

It's easy to play 'armchair webmaster' when it's not your ass that's on the line.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 7:07:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is an issue because the government has recently targetted BDSM practices under its new obscenity laws. If I'm remembering correctly, even fiction with sadomasochism in it has been targetted and a number of sites have been shut down as a result.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 7:09:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not true. SM activities are still, at least technically, illegal in many states. New decency laws that are being battled. These laws base what is and isn't considered adult material on the communities that have the strictest standards. collarme is covering their butts and rightly so, because these states' laws may soon dictate the entire internet.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 7:16:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

Not true. SM activities are still, at least technically, illegal in many states. New decency laws that are being battled. These laws base what is and isn't considered adult material on the communities that have the strictest standards. collarme is covering their butts and rightly so, because these states' laws may soon dictate the entire internet.

Fire



And in some States anal sex is still considered sodomy and against the law.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 7:46:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		To the Op...I gratefully accept the conditions that collarme puts forth..Would you rather pay for coming to this site?..and there is the added bonus of less genital shots being shown..I would rather see a face  any time and if not a picture then an avatar is good as well.I think because of its strictness we are open to less HNG as are on other sites...be well...Tempting

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 8:00:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually per the injunction filed on the behalf of the FSC and the DOJ then altering some of the proposed laws, third parties are no longer liable. So most of the above information is incorrect.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 8:12:41 PM   
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As to the OP's query, some reference material;

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002257----000-.html
http://my.execpc.com/~xxxlaw/2257Tables5.24.05.htm

Some light reading on the subject. Anything else, feel free to Google it yourself under the search parameters of "2257".



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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 9:06:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually... unless something has changed very recently, you can have nude photos on CollarMe.  The guidelines are:

No commercial photos or artwork - Only pictures you took yourself
No extreme or vulgar pictures.  No explicit genital nudity.
No objects or places for your primary photo.
We cannot approve photos containing persons in bondage at this time.
Persons who appear underage will be asked to furnish proof of age.

Tasteful nudes are allowed... I used to have one in my profile.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 9:23:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

Actually per the injunction filed on the behalf of the FSC and the DOJ then altering some of the proposed laws, third parties are no longer liable.

Actually, the injunction does not change the law, it just puts enforcement on hold until a final ruling is made.  It's hardly a reason to celebrate just yet or throw caution to the wind since that injunction could be lifted tomorrow.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 9:49:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it's a litte frustrating ... I had a hard time getting a picture approved just because I wanted to use a picture that had been taken of me and my Domme.  But I finally picked one that was ok (check to the left)

HOWEVER, I would rather that Collarme err on the side of caution so that a) it stays around, and b) we don't have to pay to be here....

There's always Yahoo groups for those *explicit* pics ... <evil chuckle>

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/7/2006 10:29:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

Actually per the injunction filed on the behalf of the FSC and the DOJ then altering some of the proposed laws, third parties are no longer liable.

Actually, the injunction does not change the law, it just puts enforcement on hold until a final ruling is made.  It's hardly a reason to celebrate just yet or throw caution to the wind since that injunction could be lifted tomorrow.
~stef
 
The portions that the DOJ rescinded are not tied to the injunction. That issue as it pertained to so called third party producers, is gone.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/8/2006 12:55:36 AM   
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The portions that the DOJ rescinded are not tied to the injunction. That issue as it pertained to so called third party producers, is gone.
 
Missed the deadline to edit. Second not third.

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RE: Collarme Profiles, What Gives? - 5/8/2006 4:26:49 AM   
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Actually... unless something has changed very recently, you can have nude photos on CollarMe. 


I had a very tasteful nude ... me wearing just my "leathers" [a strap-on harness and custom bra harness], lying on my left and looking back over my right shoulder at the camera until hmmm less than 2 weeks ago. So yes, they allow nudes.

I find a few things funny about CM and photos.

They rejected a photo of me fully clothed, in stocks and thumb-cuffs, grinning ever so mischieviously, saying it was indecent

Or the statement "Only pictures you took yourself" ... umm well I had somebody else take my pictures, one set by a certain professional photographer locally. He has a profile here, and CM was taking down his pic cause he does strange editting to them .. they thought they weren't his pictures .. yet they were! and he actually took them himself!! heheh .. and here I am, not taking my own pictures [he is] and these ones are being allowed.

Final funny thing .. are the porn ads and pics themselves. There is this one blond girl in Aylmer who has 3 different profiles, all around 22-25 .. and hmm apparently all these ads are asking for [or eventually going to be asking for] money in exchange for some sort of "service".
Hhmmm .. now if she did this on CM itself [trolling for desperate men], what sort of reputation would she get??

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