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ranja -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (3/31/2011 12:18:44 AM)

you seem to poetically sway a little... a few threads ago when you were complaining about him not being challenging enough for you and in another that he was perhaps afraid of his own sadistic side, you did ever so slightly consider you might be with the wrong god...

i think young love is... well just lovely and it is great to adore your partner, hell i adore mine but we do not have the inclination to worship eachother as gods or anything though... i would consider that a fetish

besides He is an atheist, it would defy His own logic



SorceressJ -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (3/31/2011 2:41:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ranja
i think young love is... well just lovely and it is great to adore your partner, hell i adore mine but we do not have the inclination to worship each other as gods or anything though... i would consider that a fetish


THIS.
I did not go back and read the rest of the posts, but I'm going to go ahead and answer the OP's original question here from an otherwise uncomplicated perspective.
In reality, there's not a human being of any gender who is more or less just that, a human being, than any of the rest. There are some who seem more worthy of consideration and respect than others, and some who are far nicer than others, and some who are more inclined to roles of leadership than others. But in the end, we are all just people. Period.
There is also no such thing as 'gender superiority', in and of itself. This is another fantasy, which may be attractive and seeming of the natural order to some, but the above paragraph still applies thereto.
No, a Dom is not a God except in the realm of fantasy, no matter how wonderful and worthy He/She is, and sub/slaves are people, too. DNA doesn't lie.



Asherscorp1 -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (3/31/2011 7:51:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja

you seem to poetically sway a little... a few threads ago when you were complaining about him not being challenging enough for you and in another that he was perhaps afraid of his own sadistic side, you did ever so slightly consider you might be with the wrong god...

To be a rational human being I would have to be able to step aside and look at my relationship from all perspectives. If my Master couldn't fulfill me, if He could never be sadistic (which I need from time to time) then I still wouldn't see it as something that brought Him down from the place He has with me. I would however rationally conclude that perfect as He is, it just won't work between us. I would see it as my failing to be perfectly content and happy with what He provides and regret being unable to hold up my end. Be that as it may, I would be capable of ending this relationship and finding something that does fulfill me and help me to be happy. It may seem like a paradox but that is how it flows in my brain. There are many Gods out there, if I happen to have found one but then realize He isn't actually the God that most deeply resonates with my soul ... I can leave and seek another who will. The only thing that would stop me is Master actually telling me I couldn't leave Him. I can't ever see that happening though, it is not in His nature to want someone who isn't whole-heartedly, passionately willing to give themselves to Him. In my previous threads it would have complicated matters much more to give all of that irrelevant information on how I see my relationship and how I view Master. I just asked some questions and tried to keep it simple. ;)



porcelaine -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (3/31/2011 8:20:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Asherscorp1

There are many Gods out there, if I happen to have found one but then realize He isn't actually the God that most deeply resonates with my soul ... I can leave and seek another who will.


This.

Once upon a time i encountered someone with that essence. i held him in high esteem and afforded him the privileges that come with exaltation. However, the dethroning does not negate his ability to be lifted by another. It merely says he no longer holds that role in my eyes or life. His mortality cannot diminish my appreciation for the Divine elements on his person. But it does suggest that he is man rather than King where it matters most.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



Asherscorp1 -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (3/31/2011 9:00:37 AM)

Prcelaine, as usual you completely captured the meaning of what I was trying to say and expressed better than I could. Lol.



ranja -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 12:18:31 PM)

yes so you see a man you like... then you like him a bit more and promote him to god... then you find he and you have some incompatibilities you really are not very happy about... so then you might demote him back to man or label him as ex-god so you might go looking for another man... to promote to god... have i got it?



Asherscorp1 -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 12:53:30 PM)

Nope. You can't demote a God. You can recognize that as God-like as He might be He is not THE one for you though. I won't argue that Jehovah is A God. He isn't MY God. In fact when I was young I spent time worshipping him as God, my parents were very religious people, but in the end I found that despite being God for a lot of people, he would never be MY God. Doesn't mean he has any less power, or God-ly attributes, it means that I choose not to entangle my life with his belief system. I don't see that as any different than my perception of an incarnate God in my relationship with my Master. Perhaps this stems from my belief in a pantheistic religion.



TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 1:07:17 PM)

I wish I could have expressed how idiotic this thread was while it was still on page one.

The early Raptor gets the worm they say.



hejira92 -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 2:54:44 PM)

First of all, yes. He does fuck like a god! [sm=sex.gif]

Secondly, I have often thought of this comparison while reciting Shabbat prayers in Temple (and felt very blasphemous [:)] while thinking such thoughts). As I read the psalms calling God my rock and redeemer, my judge and my refuge, I have compared the words to how I feel about Sir.

I know He is a man- He has strengths, vulnerabilities and emotions- but I also see Him as my higher authority. He is the power I answer to and work to please. His is the ideal to which I strive to achieve in my life.

So, in many ways, I do see Him as my god. He knows this and it only adds to His sense of responsibility towards me- and His arrogance (which I admit I adore).

As I like to tell people-

I worship the ground He floats over.



NuevaVida -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 4:14:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hejira92


I worship the ground He floats over.


Aw, hejira I always love your posts, and this was awesome!!!

That said, I do not see my owner as a god, it's just the way my thoughts and feelings process things.  But I do adore him and, at times, worship him.  And I do understand that others absolutely see their owners as gods. 

I tend to see the man as my King. Maybe there's some similarity to that.



porcelaine -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 4:27:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hejira92

Secondly, I have often thought of this comparison while reciting Shabbat prayers in Temple (and felt very blasphemous [:)] while thinking such thoughts). As I read the psalms calling God my rock and redeemer, my judge and my refuge, I have compared the words to how I feel about Sir.


Oh dear, you've given me visions of myself at Shul donned in Tallit. Sweet mercy. So wrong. But wow. i love it! [;)]

quote:

I know He is a man- He has strengths, vulnerabilities and emotions- but I also see Him as my higher authority. He is the power I answer to and work to please. His is the ideal to which I strive to achieve in my life.


The whole notion of Will has been turned upside down for me and catapulted to a new plane. It isn't an idea but a living breathing thing made flesh that He expertly creates. i probably couldn't share some of my ideas with the deeply religious lest they thing i've come undone.

quote:

I worship the ground He floats over.


That's so awesome. It's an amazing thing when you have a Man that inspires that level of reverence.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



hejira92 -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 4:56:57 PM)

Thanks -both to Porcelaine and Nueva.

quote:


That's so awesome. It's an amazing thing when you have a Man that inspires that level of reverence.

Namaste,

~porcelaine


I do know how lucky I am.

I've discussed this before- in the 5 years He has owned me, I have never seen Him out of control, He has never been inconsistent in word and deed, He has supported me through deaths, cancer and teenagers, He has worked diligently to uncover and heal all the wounds of a difficult childhood and a terrible marriage, He has taken me to the depths of despair and the heights of ecstasy, He has loved me more completely than I've ever been loved and accepted all the passion and intensity of my love- with the total knowledge that it is nothing less than He deserves (there's that sexy arrogance again).

Yes, I guess I really do revere and worship Him.





porcelaine -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 5:32:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hejira92

He has loved me more completely than I've ever been loved and accepted all the passion and intensity of my love- with the total knowledge that it is nothing less than He deserves (there's that sexy arrogance again).


hejira,

The rarity of what you've found and have together convinces me that some people are destined to walk hand in hand. Connections such as these are the epitome of everything i believe in. Thank you for gracing me with your joy. You are amazingly blessed. [;)]

Namaste,

~porcelaine



littlewonder -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 7:06:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hejira92

Thanks -both to Porcelaine and Nueva.

quote:


That's so awesome. It's an amazing thing when you have a Man that inspires that level of reverence.

Namaste,

~porcelaine


I do know how lucky I am.

I've discussed this before- in the 5 years He has owned me, I have never seen Him out of control, He has never been inconsistent in word and deed, He has supported me through deaths, cancer and teenagers, He has worked diligently to uncover and heal all the wounds of a difficult childhood and a terrible marriage, He has taken me to the depths of despair and the heights of ecstasy, He has loved me more completely than I've ever been loved and accepted all the passion and intensity of my love- with the total knowledge that it is nothing less than He deserves (there's that sexy arrogance again).

Yes, I guess I really do revere and worship Him.





This is it exactly.

When I'm praying, when I'm on my knees at the altar, when I'm in meditation or reading from the bible or having a discussion about God with others I can't help but think of Master in the exact same way..my Rock, Redeemer, Saviour, Guru. The way you worded it was beautiful.

Being from a strong christian faith where the man of the household has always been seen as the one to speak for God for the family and make the decisions that God has given to us, it only makes sense to me.






Asherscorp1 -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 7:11:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: hejira92

So, in many ways, I do see Him as my god. He knows this and it only adds to His sense of responsibility towards me- and His arrogance (which I admit I adore).

As I like to tell people-

I worship the ground He floats over. [/color]


I love this sentiment, beautifully said. :)



porcelaine -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 7:35:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Being from a strong christian faith where the man of the household has always been seen as the one to speak for God for the family and make the decisions that God has given to us, it only makes sense to me.


i agree it helps a great deal. my spiritual explorations have only deepened the concept in my mind. There's a passage in the Song of Solomon that i adore. In Hebrew is says: ani l'dodi, v'dodi li. Which means, i am my Beloved's, and my Beloved is mine. Most assume she's referring to Solomon, which is only part of what the passage entails. The real bridegroom they're speaking of is Christ.

Namaste,

~porcelaine




joeleyre -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/1/2011 9:56:14 PM)

Short answer, yes, and a Domme can also be a Goddess, in the truest sence of the words.

A God or Goddess is one that shapes, creates, and manifests in the Universe, and all that is in it (or so i'm told. i'm Agnostic).

If someone is willing to give themselves up to an Owner, and let them be in control of everything they are about, it pretty much seems like the same things to me.



ranja -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/2/2011 5:53:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Asherscorp1

Nope. You can't demote a God.


but dethroning is ok?



Asherscorp1 -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/2/2011 11:48:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja

quote:

ORIGINAL: Asherscorp1

Nope. You can't demote a God.


but dethroning is ok?


At this point I have to believe you are being obtuse simply because you enjoy it. I think it's been explained in every way it can be. If you truly don't get what I mean then, sorry. No amount of continued description is going to get the point across.



porcelaine -> RE: Is a Dom a God? (4/2/2011 12:34:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Asherscorp1

At this point I have to believe you are being obtuse simply because you enjoy it. I think it's been explained in every way it can be. If you truly don't get what I mean then, sorry. No amount of continued description is going to get the point across.


i suspect what she's alluding to is a certain permanency in situations where this form of interaction may be involved. But don't quote me on that. [;)]

For the record, i didn't see my previous partners in this way. If i had to describe the one that brought me down this path it wouldn't lean towards the light that's for sure. His twists and turns place him squarely in the legion's hands, but there are rare exceptions that inspire something different. my interaction with the one that did compelled me to revisit my philosophies regarding M/s and the connection between the two roles and higher planes. However, this isn't something i can do with everyone, nor do they inspire that aspect of my slavery.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



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