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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 7:28:27 AM   
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I can definitely be cool and detached at times, predatory in an organized way. When I'm playing with my girl, the touch and pain and sex and sensation will often just overwhelm her: I am detached by contrast because I am alert, watching, acting and reacting without losing my head. My detachment, in this sense, becomes a kind of power. I control the scene because I control myself.

I do the animalistic thing too, the growling and teeth, the bloodlust. It's a different experience, but also very enjoyable.

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femdoms are too 'Goddess-like' for that, while the men concerned are too 'low and contemptible'.


I think this is different than what SylvereApLeanan is talking about. (And I don't think that it necessarily has anything to do with vampire archetypes in general, which is where the two of you are butting heads.) The "Divine Bitch" shows up a lot in Femdom porn, and like most porn archetypes, I don't think she's particularly feminist or fair. The supposed femdom who only cares about money and "service" is manipulative; the woman who does sexy thing to men that she doesn't want to have sex with is by definition a toy for their lust. This is anti-feminist in that it portrays women as one-dimensional beings, without a full spectrum of human needs, desires, and fulfilling relationships with others.

"Werewolf" femdoms don't show up in porn nearly as often because:

a) It's much harder to fake that shit for a camera.

b) It doesn't interact well with the trappings and social signifier of femdom, like corsets, spike heels, and riding crops. This means that it's harder to tell at a glance who is in charge - and now that I think about it, probably makes it a lot harder to market.

c) Women with their own sexual desires are threatening to a subset of male porn consumers."Cold" femdoms are less threatening, because the only sexual things that they'll do to a man are things that get inside his head/wallet/whatever. She won't start demanding things that leave you cold, because then no one would enjoy the sex.

I think that many submissives seek "cold" femdoms because it's what they see in porn, and they want to live out their porn fantasies. I also suspect that it's much easier to "convert" a vanilla woman to someone who growls and bites and takes what she wants. Can you imagine getting into a relationship with a sexually open woman and telling her that she isn't supposed to like sex anymore, because that's what turns you on?


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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 1:44:30 PM   
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The movie was either Twilight, Eclipse, or New Moon (and Breaking Dawn will probably be released soon, if it hasnt already).



Arrrrggggghhhhh!  You actually said the evil words!  You spoke the name of "the movie that is not to be named".  My ears are bleeding!



sorry, darlin Roch...*hugs*

(I havent seen any of them)

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 3:59:14 PM   
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Darling. You sat through one of THOSE movies? How did you stay awake? Oh, you were blinded by the glitter...

Anyway, PREDATOR.

Nocturnal Stalker made me laugh in a bad way, now I want to chew on him. And write on him with a Sharpie. Little trails of spiders...

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 4:10:32 PM   
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hey.. you could just collect some wolf spiders while you're here and use the real thing instead of wasting ink....

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 4:46:31 PM   
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You know Peon, at first I wasn't going to answer this because you're clearly looking at female dominants and male subs and I expected there would be strong gender differences. Then LP basically said exactly what I was going to say... I'm both. Although the vampire aspect doesn't come out much with Carol. That is the really dangerous face of me and it's reserved for people other than her. When I get "cold" is also when I'm really angry and then BadThings(tm) happen. I suspect it helps Carol to see me as a dominant to know that that side is present but it wouldn't do anything positive for our marriage to drag it out -- for starters I'd have to be really angry with her and that just can't end well.

The werewolf aspect is what I think of as "primal". I refer to that whole side of me collectively as "the beast". This is mostly what Carol sees when she's not seeing a teddy bear.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 4:47:09 PM   
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Darling. You sat through one of THOSE movies? How did you stay awake? Oh, you were blinded by the glitter...

Anyway, PREDATOR.

Nocturnal Stalker made me laugh in a bad way, now I want to chew on him. And write on him with a Sharpie. Little trails of spiders...


That sounds like a hot date.


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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:16:18 PM   
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Nocturnal Stalker made me laugh in a bad way, now I want to chew on him. And write on him with a Sharpie. Little trails of spiders...


To hell with the Sharpie.  I wanna chew on him and then tattoo spiders on him.  Permanent ink, ftw! 

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:19:21 PM   
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Let's just leave it at the chewing, shall we? =)

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:22:24 PM   
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Hello?  Have you somehow missed the fact there are sadists around here?  Leave it at the chewing...sheesh.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:25:33 PM   
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fuck that tattooing.. just use the real ones.  the response would be SO much more satisfying

well, to me, anyway....

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:25:37 PM   
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What if I resist?!

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:33:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

fuck that tattooing.. just use the real ones.  the response would be SO much more satisfying

well, to me, anyway....


How about if we pin some real ones on him and then do tattoos around them to look like the chalk outlines at crime scenes?  It's a win-win.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:35:11 PM   
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Arrrrggggghhhhh!  You actually said the evil words!  You spoke the name of "the movie that is not to be named".  My ears are bleeding!


Ahem:

TWILIGHT TWILIGHT TWILIGHT TWILIGHT TWILIGHT TWILIGHT TWILIGHT!!!!!

(Someone mentioned that there were sadists around here, right? )

On a slightly more serious note: I don't feel like I fit either of those archetypes. I'm not cool and calculating, and I'm not brutal and out for blood - I'm having fun, even if the things I'm doing are kind of dark and nasty. Most of the time I'm giggling my little socks off. Someone, once upon a time, said I reminded him of a kitten with a ball of string. Can't remember who, nope, not me, no idea who could have possibly said that at all in the universe (*cough*itwasyouPeon*cough*).

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:37:52 PM   
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Mental torment for halfway-decent sex.

Sounds like you're my next ex!  Nice to meet you!


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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:45:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Mental torment for mind blowing, I-can't-believe-she-did-that, multi-orgasmic sex.



There.  All fixed.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 5:57:37 PM   
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*Perks ears*

So, what kind of spider did you want to tattoo again?


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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 6:02:52 PM   
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Just start with A and I'll work my way through the alphabet.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 6:03:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

fuck that tattooing.. just use the real ones.  the response would be SO much more satisfying

well, to me, anyway....


How about if we pin some real ones on him and then do tattoos around them to look like the chalk outlines at crime scenes?  It's a win-win.


I knew there was a reason I adored your mind as much as your body ;)

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 6:06:47 PM   
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But you adore me a *little bit* more, right? =D

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 6:09:47 PM   
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On a slightly more serious note: I don't feel like I fit either of those archetypes. I'm not cool and calculating, and I'm not brutal and out for blood - I'm having fun, even if the things I'm doing are kind of dark and nasty. Most of the time I'm giggling my little socks off. Someone, once upon a time, said I reminded him of a kitten with a ball of string. Can't remember who, nope, not me, no idea who could have possibly said that at all in the universe (*cough*itwasyouPeon*cough*).

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I have to agree,... but I do lean more towards the bite/blood/scratch/claw than the aloof.. 

kinda like several of my cats...
Either way.. it's FUN!! otherwise, I wouldnt keep donig it...

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